Monday March 24, 2008
Sub-Prime? Recession? Depression? Credit-Crunch?
You will have to forgive me, but there's so much is going on in the
financial markets, the real estate markets. I'm being asked so many
questions about the situation that I feel that once again, I have to
try and summarize what I know, and well, add my own 2008 predictions to
everyone's.
The root of the current crisis is a combination of the following: the
need, the desire, the absolute necessity, to create growth where growth
is basically impossible, the need to own, have, be in the possession of
(even temporarily) of stuff that one doesn't need and sometimes can't
afford and the willingness to pawn ones future in return for present
goods and services. The result is a mess. Millions of homeowners who
will undoubtedly lose their homes (which in my mind is a multiple level
demagoguery - I don't believe they ever actually owned their homes, and
therefore, that it was ever theirs to lose...
So here is my interpretation to the sequence of events:
Builders and lenders want to show growth. Housing growth, however, has
a lot to do with population growth (people need a place to live) and
speculation (people need a place to invest). Speculative forces and
sales to previously unqualified buyers caused the prices to go up (8.5%
annual rate between 1996-2005, and 11.4% between 2000-2005). The high
demand caused the lenders to be a little more flexible in loaning
money, and builders to build a staggering oversupply of about 3 million
units nationwide.
When builders want to sell more to people who want to have more, with
the generous help of the lenders who really don't want to be left out,
the result is devastating. (I recently read that even the credit
rating companies were off guard, unable to warn the lenders of their
customers' inability to pay off their loans).
Feeling confident, hand having made so much money on their wise real
estate investments (not too many investments can yield 11% annual rate,
or even 8%), people took their homes to the neighborhood pawn shop (no,
not literally. They actually re-financed). They got as much equity as
they possibly could out of their house. Not the investment house, the
house they were living in. The money was wisely invested in consumer
goods: cars, vacations, gadgets, and other "stuff". But as it happens,
the "variable rate" loans started to kick in, and all those who took
creative mortgages, with "no money down", "interest only payments",
realized that they simply can't keep making the payments. Defaulting
came next. Eviction second. Foreclosure third. Walking away from the
American dream house fourth. As mortgages we being unpaid, the entire
(mysterious if I may say so) investment industry backed by mortgage
loans went south. Bankers reported billions in bad loans (not yet
over). What's even more interesting is that nobody has found a way yet
to determine how to valuate those investments. Public companies
delayed publishing their financial statements trying to figure out how
exposed they are to this disaster.
And then someone woke up and said: we've been giving billions upon
billions of dollars to people who can't pay us back. Lets see how much
we can retrieve, and even more important - lets call the party off. So
credit lines were cut viciously, interest rates on loans jumped. Party
is over. The entire economy is being pulled down. People are more
careful spending their money, sales at the mall and at the car dealer
are going down. Since consumption drives the American economy, a
recession is now being mentioned in every other conversation. Money is
becoming expensive. And then, on a big white horse, wearing a
brilliantly shining armor, comes the Federal Reserve and lowers the
interest rate. And he lowers it again, and again. Until the dollar -
which is no longer a good investment - presents significant problems to
anyone who's doing business in the US.
And if you think about it, it all started trying to generate wealth.
Create growth. And as a final sarcastic comment: The Sarbanes-Oxley
was put in place to safeguard the economy and the investors from an
Enron-like disaster, which compared to the sub-prime crisis is a
bathtub vortex compared to a level five Hurricane...
No savings, conspicuous consumption, bad loans,
bad credit, no credit,
bad job, big house, no job, no house, imported car, no car... The
market has spoken: brace yourselves.
Times are bad, and are getting worse.
Posted at 12:52PM Mar 24, 2008 by Amiram Hayardeny in Personal | Comments[4]
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I am an Indian and am curious about the economic situation in US. Is it that bad?? How much percentage of the population does the "sub-prime" effect?? Cant these banks keep those assets and later sell them when real estate markets recover? or they are more interested in whatever they can get and write-off the rest.
Posted by Ameya on March 25, 2008 at 07:25 PM CST #
The real bad thing about that is the crisis outside the U.S..
There were enough european banks and insurance companies which invested a lot of money in the U.S. mortgage loans system. Why that? Because of the ROI. After a while everybody knew that the Americans couldn't pay back but nobody quit the system because of severe competition. Nobody wanted to be the first.
As a result national finance systems had to rescue nearly insolvent banks to avoid a desaster.
In the end europeans have to pay for greed of local banks and that Americans can live beyond their means.
Posted by Otmanix on March 25, 2008 at 11:47 PM CST #
My main concern with the situation is, that the providers of the loan go away with their commission and other payments. This people don't loose on bubbles, they win.
More so, the loss makes room for the next bubble, since it lowers the starting level.
Blaming the customers for their dreams is like blaming the kid for taking the cookie from a stranger. A lot of people are like kids in this situation, which is only partly their fault.
Posted by Knut Grunwald on March 26, 2008 at 11:29 PM CST #
Interesting Discussion...
Ameya - No, it' not that bad it's about .5% of the last 8 years mortgages. The vast majority of people here have normal 30 year fixed rate mortgages at very nice rates (average is probably around 6.5%) Some investors and banks made bad choices. Some people made bad choices. They will all pay the price. The only bad part of this is that being a US election year, populists seem to want to try and fix this with government intervention.
Otmanix - If Europeans have to pay for our crisis then the blame belongs firmly on their own shoulders for their exposure to this market - no one forced anyone to invest in these mortgage backed junk securities. I regularly lose money with foreign investments - I don't complain about it and neither should you - over time the gains balance out the losses (remember the 11+ years of gains of 8.5%+ mentioned above?). If you don't like your government getting involved and bailing out the greedy and stupid at your expense then speak to them about it.
Knut - The loan brokers sold to willing customers on both sides. The customers bought houses they could not afford under terms that were disclosed. The people who bought the securities bought them under terms that were disclosed. Everyone involved knew the risks - disclosure is the LAW. Being mad at the loan brokers or real estate agents is like being mad at stock brokers who sell you stocks that end up going down in value...It doesn't make sense. The bottom line is that you should not be investing in anything, a house or a marketable security if you do not understand the associated risks. Your analogy of kids and cookies would be apt if the people in question were children - instead they were all adults who signed adult contracts. On top of this, a large number of them chose what is called a "zero-documentation" loan which are intended for self-employed people and do not require proof of income - all you do then is sign a statement that you have sufficient income to pay the mortgage - so really there is also a case for fraud against these borrowers.
Making bad decisions must have negative repercussions or else we never learn lessons. I had a lot of credit card debt in college - no one compared me to a child and bailed me out - I learned my lessons - paid my bills - and got on with life.
Just like in my case - just because the stories are sad, that does not make the "victims" less stupid.
Posted by Dan on April 02, 2008 at 10:12 AM CST #