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Hmm, let me see. iPod => ubiquitous broadband => reduced need to carry contents => demise of iPod How about? iPod nano at terabyte (or whatever size enought for lifetime storage), refresh only incrementally at StarBucks for free (government provided universal broadband, but not storage), pluggable into dataless terminal.

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That your prediction about increased bandwidth leading to the demise of needing to carry around lots of data will be true in the long-term, I have no doubt. But the problem is that it's not clear that providers are actually building the right kind of networks to enable this in the medium term. So, how long is all this going to take? Ten years? Twenty?

The problem isn't the speed of the connection they're aiming to provide (I'm sure 50Mbps will be the norm in a few years), it's the total amount of bandwidth on shared pipes that's the issue (contention). Today, if even a low single digit percentage of users on consumer broadband make much use P2P and/or usenet binary newgroups, the pipes become saturated. And, because consumer broadband is economical only because of contention, this isn't going to change anytime soon. The days of 15TB monthly download allowances are a way off yet, so I think we'll be caching data locally for a long time to come.

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I agree we're still living in the wrong mindset, i.e. portable data! But think beyond and the amount of bandwidth needed once the data required to support holographic displays is needed dwarfs even these numbers. I predict in 20 years or less, the end of videographic display as we know and we wil all just project holographically instead! Take your seat around the arena and choose your vantage point. Come on let's talk about the future if we're going to talk at all. The iPod is already dated but I gotta love the touch wheel, which is beautiful ivention.

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Greg, I agree with you and many others that bandwidth/speed will be key factor (along with a LOT of battery power) in portability players. But, there is one other key factor. Money. As in... who gets it. Everyone is going to want a slice of that pie, and consumers are the people that are going to pay it. You'll find that licensing will quickly become a major sticking point, as that's how the flow of money will have to be controlled. Without encryption or other copy protection schemes that aren't easily broken by fifteen year olds, there will quickly develop an "underground" for digital copying and transfer of video, music, etc. Which means artists, directors, producers, distributors, agents, and, most importantly, CEOs... well... they get no kickback or profit. If there is no profit, then there is no incentive to make the technology feasible and commercially available. Once the copy protection scheme is created and made such that it can't be broken... then you'll have the opposite effect... CEOs will quickly see the ability to have huge $$$$$ dancing in their minds... and the ability to have "anywhere, anytime, anything" content will end up much like MP3 (legally, anyways) content is managed now... you can use it on one device and transfer it from one device to another... but you don't own it and it will most likely have a "timeout", "max-at-a-time" or other limit placed on it. Much like you can only check out three or so movies from NetFlix at one time. Sure, you can get five. If you pay more. Sure, you can have "go anywhere, anytime, anyplace, with anything" content. But it will either be so easy to hack and copy that the lack of profit will keep profit-hungry companies from wanting to allow it... or, it will be so expensive that only teenagers or people with completely disposable incomes will pay to use it.

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Apple has demonstrated a willingness to release new products that immediately destroy demand for relatively new products. Look at the nano - how many people had just purchased minis? And Apple continues improving their software base as well. Recent iTunes releases have dramatically improved functionality. So I expect to see further improvements in the near term. Today, podcasts are a bit frustrating - you have to download them from iTunes on your computer periodically. And there are hosts of other content that I would like to be able to get real-time. But Apple is beautifully positioned to leverage the music store as a portal in the future, to sell us the RIGHT to the music instead of the bits themselves - and keep the content stored centrally. Once the bandwidth is broad and ubiquitous enough to support that, we're good to go - just release an iPod with wireless connectivity. And now with video, too. So it's not a case of iPods killing themselves off - more a case of bootstrapping the infrastructure over time with the best that technology can provide for now. Carry this model to software - again, just bits, right? - and you can provide software as a service, with low support/subscription fees over a large population, instead of high purchase fees for the bits themselves. With one copy of the code, instead of a copy on each machine, so it's MUCH easier to maintain, both at the server and client end. After all, when an iPod downloads content from a server and plays it locally, it's just a specialized thin client, right? My big concern remains protection of my confidential material. Yes, I want it available wherever I am. But I'm not sure I trust a third party to store information about my stocks, my mortgage, my health records - especially without my own local copy in case of disaster. But the ability to use a thin client effectively is dramatically reduced if I don't have access to my data. I think that personal encryption will become much more ubiquitous to make this work, ultimately. We've seen companies like Canon, that enthusiastically set out to leapfrog their own inventions before others can do it. I'm sure Apple will do so, too. The iPod is dead - long live the iPod! One other note: I manage 3 iPods for my family. It's nontrivial to update our library with new material, select the right content for the right iPods, update iTunes periodically, etc. I'm a geek, and it's still a pain. And I would be happier with a device that didn't require this level of time and frustration. But I'm willing to invest the effort, because I enjoy the features of the iPod. Give it to me with less effort, and I will be happier.

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That your prediction about increased bandwidth leading to the demise of needing to carry around lots of data will be true in the long-term, I have no doubt. But the problem is that it's not clear that providers are actually building the right kind of networks to enable this in the medium term. So, how long is all this going to take? Ten years? Twenty?

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