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World Record Single-chip SAP-SD 2-Tier ECC 6.0 Sun Fire T2000

Thursday Aug 23, 2007

The SPARC Enterprise Model T2000 | Sun Fire Model T2000 is the performance leader in Two-Tier SAP-SD Standard Application Benchmarks on single processor systems as of August 22nd, 2007. This result used the Oracle database on the UltraSPARC T1. Again as Sun has always maintained the UltraSPARC T1 is good at database-tier, application tier, and web tier!

  • Sun Fire Model T2000 supported 1100 SD Benchmark Users, 5530 SAPS, using Oracle 10g is the fastest single-processor systems.
  • Sun Fire Model T2000 beats a 2-chip dual-core Itanium2-based HP Integrity rx2660.
  • Sun Fire Model T2000 beats a 2-chip dual-core Opteron-based HP ProLiant DL365.
  • Sun Fire Model T2000 beats a 2-chip dual-core Xeon-based Fujitsu BFi20 S2 (Unicode).
  • The Fujitsu BX620 S4 that uses two-chip 3GHz Xeon Quad-cores is only 1.8x faster than a single chip Sun Fire Model T2000 using UltraSPARC T1.
  • The IBM p570 that uses two-chip 4.7GHz POWER6 is only 1.8x faster than a single chip Sun Fire Model T2000 using UltraSPARC T1.
  • The just-announced UltraSPARC T2 has twice the thread count of the UltraSPARC T1.

SAP-SD 2-Tier Performance, Benchmark Users (bigger is better)

Sys Users # / GHz / Type Mem OS DB LI/Hr SAPS BM rev Date
IBM p570 2035 two 4.7 POWER6+ DC 32 GB AIX 5L 5.3 Oracle 10g 203,670 10,180 6.0 5/21/07
Fujitsu BX620 S4 1940 two 3.0 Xeon QC 32 GB Windows Srvr 2003 EE SQL Server 2005 194,000 9,700 6.0 8/13/07
Sun Fire T2000 1100 one 1.4 US T1 64 GB Solaris 10 Oracle 10g 110,670 5,530 6.0 8/22/07
HP Integrity rx2660 1090 two 1.6 Itan2 DC 32 GB HP-UX 11iV3 DB2 9 109,670 5,480 6.0 3/20/07
HP ProLiant DL365 1083 two 2.8 Opt DC 32 GB Windows Srvr 2003 EE SQL Srvr 2005 108,670 5,430 6.0 2/9/07
Fujitsu BFi20 S2 Unicode 1020 two 3 Xeon 5160 DC 16 GB Solaris 10 Oracle 10g 102,330 5,120 6.0 5/4/07
IBM p550 1000 four 1.9 POWER5+ DC 32 GB SuSE Linux ES9 DB2 UDB 8.2.2 100,330 5,020 5.0 10/04/05
Sun Fire T2000 950 one 1.2 US T1 32 GB Solaris 10 MaxDB 7.5 95,670 4,780 5.0 11/17/05
IBM x3250 850 one 2.13 Xeon 8 GB Windows SrVr 2003 EE DB2 9 88,000 4,400 6.0 5/11/07

Complete benchmark results may be found at the SAP benchmark website http://www.sap.com/benchmark.

Benchmark Description

The SAP Standard Application SD (Sales and Distribution) Benchmark is a two-tier ERP business test that is indicative of full business workloads of complete order processing and invoice processing, and demonstrates the ability to run both the application and database software on a single system. The SAP Standard Application SD Benchmark represents the critical tasks performed in real-world ERP business environments.

SAP is one of the premier world-wide ERP application providers, and maintains a suite of benchmark tests to demonstrate the performance of competetive systems on the various SAP products.

SAP has specified that the Benchmark Users metric is the only metric to be used for public comparisons. However, Benchmark Users can be traded off with response time in performance tuning, and so comparing Line Items per Hour or SAPS may be a different way to compare the actual power of systems.

    Funny that Sun compares against current IBM results, IBM bloggers decide to do funny comparisons on a different SAP benchmark, but compared their latest system to a 16-month old result on a US-IV system that is 2 processor GHz upgrades behind. I guess that is one way to win...

Disclosure Statement:

Two-tier SAP Standard Sales and Distribution (SD) standard SAP ERP 2004/2005 application benchmark: SPARC Enterprise Model T2000 | Sun Fire T2000 (1-way, 1 proc, 8 cores, 32 threads) 1 x 1.4 GHz UltraSPARC T1, 64GB memory, 1100 SD Benchmark users, 1.91 sec avg response time, Cert#2007051, Oracle 10g, Solaris 10; Sun Fire T2000 (1-way, 1 proc, 8 cores, 32 threads) 1 x 1.2 GHz UltraSPARC T1, 32GB memory, 950 SD Benchmark users, 1.91 sec avg response time, Cert#2005047., MaxDB 7.5 database, Solaris 10; Fujitsu Siemens Computers PRIMERGY MOdel BX620 S4 (2-way, 2 procs, 8 cores, 8 threads), 2 x 3.0 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 32 GB memory, 1940 SD Benchmark users, 1.99 sec avg response time, Cert#2007049, SQL Server 2005, Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition; HP ProLiant DL365 (2-way, 2 procs, 4 cores, 4 threads) 2 x 2.8 GHz Opteron, 32GB memory, 1083 SAP SD Benchmark users, 1.98 sec avg response time, Cert#2007006, SQL Server 2005, Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition; HP Integrity rx2660 (2-way, 2 procs, 4 cores, 8 threads) 2 x 1.6 GHz Itanium, 32GB memory, 1090 SAP SD Benchmark users, 1.93 sec avg response time, Cert#2007016, DB2 9, HP-UX 11iV3; IBM System p 570 (2-way, 2 procs, 4 cores, 8 threads) 2 x 4.7 GHz POWER6+, 32GB memory, 2035 SD Benchmark users, 1.99s avg resp time, Cert#2007037, Oracle 10g, AIX 5L Version 5.3; Fujitsu Siemens Computers PRIMERGY Model BFi20 S2 (2-way, 2 procs, 4 cores, 4 threads) 2 x 3GHz Intel Xeon 5160 dual-core, 16GB memory,(Unicode) 1020 SAP SD Benchmark users, 1.94 sec avg response time, Cert#2007031, Oracle 10g, Solaris 10; IBM System x3250 (1-way, 1 proc, 4 cores, 4 threads) 1 x 2.13 GHz Xeon, 8GB memory, 850 SD Benchmark users, 1.59s avg resp time, Cert#2007036, DB2 9, Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition; IBM System eServer p5 550 (4-way, 4 procs, 4 cores, 8 threads) 4 x 1.9 GHz POWER5+, 32GB memory, 1000 SD Benchmark users, 1.97s avg resp time, Cert#2005040, IBM DB2 Universal Database 8.2.2, SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9; SAP, R/3, mySAP reg TM of SAP AG in Germany and other countries. More info http://www.sap.com/benchmark.
Certified Results
Performance: 1100 benchmark users
Server: Sun Fire
Processors: 1 1.4 GHz UltraSPARC T1
Memory: 64 GB
Operating system: Solaris 10
Database S/W: Oracle 10g
SAP S/W: SAP ECC 6.0
SAP Certification: 2007051
Storage: Sun StorEdge 6020

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Seer, I tried to look at the setup on SAP website. All I found was just the certification of the numbers. Can you post the server/db setup; I'm extremely interested in the configuration parameters used during the benchmark. After all what good is a benchmark if you can't share your setup with the world :-)

Posted by Anantha on August 23, 2007 at 04:26 PM PDT #

Leader !? :)

Fujitsu Siemens Computers PRIMERGY Model BX620 S4, 2 processors / 8 cores / 8 threads, Quad-Core Intel Xeon Processor X5365 3 GHz
9700 SAPS
http://www.sap.com/solutions/benchmark/pdf/cert4907.pdf

HP ProLiant DL380 G5, 2 processors / 8 cores / 8 threads, Quad-Core Intel Xeon Processor X5355 2.66 GHz
9000 SAPS
http://www.sap.com/solutions/benchmark/pdf/cert2807.pdf

So T2000 is ~2 times slower but cost ~$70K, Xeon systems is 2 times faster and cost ~$17K (32Gb, 2x72Gb HDD 10K rpms).

P.S. you have to rewrite your post ;)
http://blogs.sun.com/bmseer/entry/ultrasparc_t2_and_old_ultrasparc

Posted by Triffids on August 26, 2007 at 01:28 PM PDT #

> Storage: Sun StorEdge 6020

Could you please post storage info from previous T2000+MaxDB benchmark ? And from last HP/Fujitsu on x86 benchmarks ?

Posted by Triffids on August 27, 2007 at 08:05 AM PDT #

you are comparing two chips on Quad-core to 1 chip on T2000, you are also not comparing same size memory fast memory, SAP prevents vendors from doing price comparisons. SAP does not want comparisons on SAPS but users.

Since you have so much data on Xeons, please post 2 processors
Quad-Core Intel Xeon Processor X5355 3 GHz, 64GB fast FB-DIMMS, price & measured wattages.

As you saw Sun Fire T2000 has no problem with commercial databases.

Posted by BM Seer on August 27, 2007 at 09:35 AM PDT #

I compare most close results published last time. HP ProLiant DL380 G5 use cheap 32Gb memory to get 9700 SAPS. 32Gb on hp.com cost about $10K. Check tpc-e DELL report: 4 socket PowerEdge PE6850, 64Gb RAM cost less than $30K.
I don't know how many wattages in Xeon, but I think it "eat" less electricity than we spend on toilet paper :)

Do you have any info about storage system used in previous T2000+MaxDB benchmark ? Is it possible that StorEdge 6020 is to small for such benchmark and Xeon systems use more powerfull storage ? In tpc-e 2xXeon use 192 disks and StorEdge 6020 as I understand support max 14 ...

Posted by Triffids on August 27, 2007 at 11:26 AM PDT #

I love how you avoid details :) and "think it eat less electricity".

My guess is systems with 32GB FB-DIMMS (the fast ones) and 2 chip
quad-core Xeons, will draw 500-600 watts 64GB will draw even more.
Every time I see mem pricing arguements, 9 times out of 10 people look at the lowest cost slow ones or low power ones. 2 dual-core woodcrest with 32GB burned 500+ watts.

Storage performance isn't a big deal with SAP-SD benchmarks, but I'll
poke around to find it.

Posted by BM Seer on August 27, 2007 at 12:00 PM PDT #

600 watt ~ $50/month in my location, $600 per year. $70K [T2000/32Gb FB-DIMMS] - $17K [ProLiant DL380/32Gb FB-DIMMS] = $53K. Even if T2000 eat 0 watt, I will die till watt difference eat $53K :)
watts in SMB is not an argument, in my location even hosting companies doesn't charge watts, only rack units. But I strongly agree: in enterprises cooling + UPS watts is big deal.

Posted by Triffids on August 27, 2007 at 01:55 PM PDT #

even in your last comments you have details wrong. OK just attack because it seems it is the only thing you care about...

Posted by BM Seer on August 27, 2007 at 02:20 PM PDT #

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