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Is F3 intended to be a competitor to Processing, or a Java scripting language?

Posted by Ivan Lazarte on November 10, 2006 at 08:35 PM PST #

I've a season java programer (server side with javascript skills) and find F3 interesting. I have to admit that I don't understand Swing (too complex, many ways to acheive the same thing -at least this is initally what I think until I find out my error).

I know that Java GUI can be very powerful. F3 is a great step to make it easier to use for GUIs.

Posted by Ano on November 11, 2006 at 12:09 AM PST #

Cool demo, very interesting! I noticed components are placed in absolute coordinates rather than using layout managers (which is reasonable for 2D graphics integration). This does raise some questions though:

Scaling swing components is really cool (especially the mouse handling, well done). However, they do look somewhat "ugly" I assume because of the aliasing settings? Maybe because of the native PLAF?
How would the PLAF work with absolute positioning? I noticed you used the native look but on another system (with different fonts) components that are close to each other might cross boundaries, right?
Life cycle isn't very clear, I understand most of the standard syntax but some of the syntax is related to painting while other syntax (e.g. View) is related to components with a more elaborate life cycle.

I think it might be a good idea to build a special PLAF for this language that will scale properly and use appropriate fonts across platforms. Maybe on top of Synth?

Very cool demo ;-)

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Hi Chris, As a long time Flash developer all of these abstractions and ideas feel very familiar, and the potential of having this integrated with Java systems for client work is really exciting! I was thinking the other day that something Matisse lacks in its user experience is something like Flash where one can work graphically as well as purely programatically (spell checker is saying I invented a new word here =) ) to create widgets and assemble them. The scripting/programming side seems to be here, but are there any plans to create a visual editing environment where say I can get a designer to design the UI and then I can grab the file from them to hook up? If so, I think that would really start to become attractive for a lot of multimedia developers/designers who currently work with Flash. Thanks for the great work and looking forward to seeing what comes of all this! steven

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