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20090904 Friday September 04, 2009

Project Coin: Solidarity with C++ Evolution

Recently I read with interest Bjarne Stroustrup's HOPL III paper Evolving a language in and for the real world: C++ 1991-2006. Despite the numerous technical differences between Java and C++, I was struck by some of the similarities in community involvement and expectations in the evolution of both languages. Selected excerpts from the paper are in block quotes below.

In particular, this very open process [in the C++ committee] is vulnerable to disruption by individuals whose technical or personal level of maturity doesn’t encourage them to understand or respect the views of others. Part of the consideration of a proposal is a process of education of the committee members. Some members have claimed — only partly in jest — that they attend to get that education.

The Project Coin mailing list is a world-readable and world-writable list. While this approach does let anyone join in, the traffic can be very high and at times the signal to noise ratio was quite low. In the future, I'll be inclined to impose temporary moderation on the list to quell unproductive email storms.

The answer to “Why didn’t we provide a much more useful library?” is simpler: We didn’t have the resources (time and people) to do significantly more than we did.


The most common reaction to these extensions among developers is “that was about time; why did it take you so long?” and “I want much more right now”. That’s understandable (I too want much more right now — I just know that I can’t get it), but such statements reflect a lack of understanding what an ISO committee is and can do.


As ever, there are far more proposals than the committee could handle or the language could absorb. As ever, even accepting all the good proposals is infeasible. As ever, there seems to be as many people claiming that the committee is spoiling the language by gratuitous complicated features as there are people who complain that the committee is killing the language by refusing to accept essential features. If you take away consistent overstatement of arguments, both sides have a fair degree of reason behind them. The balancing act facing the committee is distinctly nontrivial.

Viewed over the long term, one goal to evolving a platform is trying maximize value delivered over time. This is analogous to a net present value-style consideration from economics. A feature delivered in the future is less valuable than having the feature today, but the value of choosing to do a feature needs to be weighed against the opportunity costs of doing something else instead. Developers are chronically optimistic and eager to deliver something sooner rather than later, especially when the next release vehicle may be in the relatively distant future. As previously indicated, I too would prefer to see additional language changes as part of Project Coin in JDK 7. However, given the available resources, overcommitting to a large set of features is not responsible; either the large set won't get done in the end, it won't get done well, or the schedule would slip — all of which lead to reduced value too.

Much of the best standards work is invisible to the average programmer and appears quite esoteric and often boring when presented. The reason is that a lot of effort is expended in finding ways of expressing clearly and completely “what everyone already knows, but just happens not to be spelled out in the manual” and in resolving obscure issues that—at least in theory—don’t affect most programmers. The maintenance is mostly such “boring and esoteric” issues.

Some attendees of my JavaOne talk this year were not happy with the length of time spent relating complications with adding enum types in JDK 5. However, I included such a large section on the apparent simplicity of enums still leading to many surprising complexities to help convey the disproportionate efforts that adding even modest features to the language can take.

I fully expect to be surprised in the future with novel interactions and issues as experience is gained with the Project Coin features and prudent planning anticipates the need to deal with such surprises.

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