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20051123 Wednesday November 23, 2005
Do NOT ask me why not choose solaris AGAIN!

Don't ask me why not choose solaris AGAIN! And again,I want to say I have no idea but using the linux.

It happened again today,when I got my new dell machine.Its mainboard is Intel 865GV chipset[Brookdale-G] Chipset Integrated with the i810 as the vedio adapter.With the bad experience of the solaris,I checked the HCL for the confirmation.Then I found that the i810 was supported by solaris since the 845G/GL appeared.There is the proof

With that,I was so happy to start my work.The installation was well-off,you know,at that time the graphic interactive installation gave me lots of confidence.I thought this time solaris would give me a good performace,so I installed almost all the things of solaris....whereafter 1.5 hours passed,when the box was ready,I restarted my box,then I was completely gapemouthed for the prompt - the X fail to start....

I think the chipset had been used for quite a long time,maybe more than a year.Many PCs are using this kinda chipset now.But currently,the solaris is not supporting this.The user can not use the desktop even after half a year....

However the linux works well,you know what,the linux,redhat fedora 3,works well in my box!It is the version which is more than 1.5 years old...How can I express my feeling to solaris?The frustrated?the depressed?the upset?

So do not ask me why not choose solaris AGAIN?Yes,it is the king on sparc,but it is not the very choice on the most updated x86 roadsters.The only thing I can say is that maybe you can try them on the weckers....

Permalink Comments [9] ( Nov 23 2005, 03:39:05 PM CST / Nov 23 2005, 03:39:05 PM CST )
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There are a lot of resources inside and outside of Sun. Mailing lists, irc, channels, website, you name it. Did you actually try any of these before giving up? There are a lot of us out here who would be more than willing to help you get running.

Alan.

Posted by Alan Hargreaves on November 23, 2005 at 03:48 PM CST #

Yes,you are right.There are many solutions here.But what I need first is the stability.So,I want to get the release for the official support.

Posted by sandy on November 23, 2005 at 04:46 PM CST #

I've been running Solaris Express/Nevada - and before that development builds of Solaris 10, on a laptop here (and before that, early builds of Solaris for the last 10 years on my various desktop machines) and they *are* stable : our development processes pretty much guarantee that even development builds of our OS will very rarely do bad things.

If you balance your requirement to be supported vs. the Good Things you can do by running early builds of Solaris (eg. every bug you find is a bug our customers don't!) then you'll see it's in everybody's best interests for you to run our own software. Find bugs, report them, and contribute to the solution, yeah ?

Just ask yourself, who are you helping by running Fedora ?

Posted by Tim Foster on November 23, 2005 at 05:04 PM CST #

But fact remains, Fedora works out-of-the-box, just works. And more important, according to Le, the installation GUI started successfully at first, X failed at the first reboot, not really an integrated OS should look like.

Take my own experience as example, I grabbed and installed Solaris 10 GA when it hit the street (even before Mr. J. Schwartz announced the download number) The machine is my desktop at work with integrated SiS chipset. Similar thing happens, installation GUI starts at first, but it drops out of X during the probing, I had to restart in text interactive install to complete the installation. It runs well after that.

Solaris on x86 seems to catch up recently (at least better than what used to be back in Sol7 or Sol2.6 days,) though it is not in the "just works" category.

Ivan.

Posted by Ivan Wang on November 23, 2005 at 05:47 PM CST #

Your comment really bothers me. You are critizing (I suppose) the hand that feeds you without mentioning which version of Solaris or nv build that you had trouble with. This is utterly not fair. Even as a totally disinterested outsider (as far as Sun is concerned), I have installed/re-installed Solaris and various nv builds at least a dozen times. I don't think you should have major problems with the "official" version of Solaris 10. Yes I did run into some x-related problems with one or two earlier builds of nv, but it is really not fair to try to bad-mouth all the Solaris (capitalized "S") builds with only one data point. OTOH, my experience with Fedora Core 3 is very different from yours. It is definitely not reliable enough for business use. If you are not interested in going through the entire installation process, Nexenta Alpha 1 LiveCD, which is based on nv 27, should give you an unmistakable impression as to how rapidly Solaris is progressing, and how hard those Sun's boys and girls are at work. (I have not tried Schillix 0.3 LiveCD, which is also based on nv 27).

Posted by W. Wayne Liauh on November 23, 2005 at 06:23 PM CST #

No....the solaris can not start X on intel 865 GV chipset.The vedio adapter of the chipset is i810. I said the i810 is supported by solaris,but does not work well in 865GV chipset mainboard

Posted by sandy.sun on November 23, 2005 at 07:28 PM CST #

Before you installed fedora, I hope you captured some information into a bug report: 
Do you see the error with xorg and xsun?  (use kdmconfig to switch between these Xserver alternatives)

cat /etc/release  (so it's clear what build you are running)

cat /var/dt/Xerrors and paste into the bug report.

prtpicl -v and look for a reference to your graphics card.  Paste this section into the bug report.

This information will help future users of your hardware who do choose Solaris.

Posted by bnitz on November 23, 2005 at 10:09 PM CST #

Bnitz, glad to meet you here again.But I have installed the fedora already Well,the exact model is intel 865GVLHZ with i810 as the vedio adapter.The most strange thing is that all the docs of solaris said they supported i810,and supported 865G.But X can not be started.

Posted by sandy on November 23, 2005 at 10:33 PM CST #

He's basically addressing the fundamental problem with Solaris x86 isn't he. It lacks drivers and doesn't get a lot a support from 3rd party vendors or the community in general for said drivers--at least not like Linux or Windows. Kudos to NVidia for releasing graphic drivers for Solaris x86 but ATI couldn't care less about Solaris. Also, I wonder how long NVidia will continue supporting Solaris. For home use, there's really no reason to run Solaris why bother when Linux or Windows will cover all your needs.

Posted by Michael Lee on November 23, 2005 at 11:42 PM CST #

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