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http://blogs.sun.com/gameguy/date/20050419 Tuesday April 19, 2005

Sex at IBM and Sun

When I was in college I worked a summer at IBM. Lately I started musing on the differences in work environments. When it came to sex, the IBM the rule was "Not on company time or furniture." Though I've never heard it stated at Sun I assume the rule is similar. One of the interesting differences though is that it was stated at IBM. Based on my 6 years or so at Sun and that summer at IBM I thought I might do some more comparison and contrasting. Tounge firmly in cheek.

At IBM, nobody is allowed to find out what anyone else is doing. At Sun, nobody CAN find out what anybody else is doing.

At IBM your second-line manager's door is always open. At Sun, your never quite sure who your second line manager is this week, but everyone's door is open.

At IBM you never see or hear from an executive and you have no idea what they do. At Sun you are ALWAYS hearing from executives.. many of whom you still have no idea what they do.

At Sun, we are the Net. At IBM, we are the world.

When I was in college, IBM had a larger gross income then China. Today most of Sun's gross income seems to be IN China.

At IBM, things are run by managers, its very orderly, and nothing much happens. At Sun things are run by engineering, its total chaos, and WEIRD things happen.

At IBM you can get the Business. At Sun you can get burned.

IBM wants to give you the computer and charge you millions of dollars to make it do anything. At Sun we want to give you the computer and sell you the software... or was that sell you the computer and rent you the software... or was that rent you the computer and run YOUR software... oh hell, we just want you to like us and pay us to be smart with computers!

IBM pays lips service to the open-source-religious and then acts proprietary. Sun acts open source and then gets in trouble by not paying the proper lip service.

Sun invented Java. IBM wishes they had invented Java.

Sun has a (great) working Unix but hey, we'll talk Linux if we have to. IBM had a crappy Unix and now really wants the world to believe they are the only Linux vendor out there.

IBM comes up with new marketing strategies for old crap. Sun comes up with new crap with no marketing strategies whatsoever.

As much as they are trying to distance themselves from it, IBM is still the blue suit company. Stodgy, stable and boring. Sun I think will always have the soul of a start-up.

And that last is why I had 3 months at IBM, and going on 6 years at Sun! Those of us who are chaos surfers thrive on the kind of chaotic, creative place Sun continues to be. In the long run, I believe that is what makes us different and what our future big successes will be based on. Its not the kind of thing that bankers like. It even gives most managers ulcers... but we aren't a bank or a management company. We are an engineering company. And at the end of the day, we do that pretty damn well!

Comments:

I enjoyed reading this. What is funny is that I also spent 3 months @ IBM Software before joing Sun 6 years ago... Didn't hear or read about the sex rule on my side of the Atlantic though ;-)

Posted by Alexis MP on April 20, 2005 at 05:02 AM EDT #

Excelene post! Really liked this one : "IBM pays lips service to the open-source-religious and then acts proprietary. Sun acts open source and then gets in trouble by not paying the proper lip service." Check out John Clingans' post about FUD and flame wars on Slashdot regarding Claire Giordanos' discussion on CDDL.

Posted by Alex Goncalves on April 21, 2005 at 06:38 AM EDT #

Yep, I heard the same mantra at IBM - the version I heard was that "personal conduct at IBM comes down to LSD: Liquor, Sex and Drugs. These are not allowed on company time, money or furniture".

Posted by 82.33.65.43 on April 26, 2005 at 09:14 AM EDT #

hi

Posted by aa2000aa on June 07, 2007 at 11:14 PM EDT #

Well the real difference is Sun is run by engineers and IBM was always run by a sales guy. Thus IBM was always able to sell technology and make a profit on it - whether IBM invented it or not. Sun always had a hate/hate relationship with mktg/ sales and was never able to make a profit on much of anything. I guess the moral to the story is, if you want to make money (e.g. have a job) you have to learn to market and sell it - not just create it. Ron Popiel remains my hero - he could sell "spray on hair" and make money at it. If he were alive today, maybe he could turn around Sun?

Posted by Exsunny on April 06, 2009 at 11:00 AM EDT #

[Trackback] Jeff Kesselman: A few of these comparisons have a bit of a Sun slant, but most have an element of truth.  I can confirm being told the time or furniture rule.

Posted by Sam Ruby on April 06, 2009 at 08:14 PM EDT #

@Exsunny: Ron Popiel is still alive.

Posted by Sam Greenfield on April 07, 2009 at 10:14 AM EDT #

In what ways was AIX at all inferior to Solaris? AIX was a pretty nice OS as I recall...

Posted by Ole Eichhorn on April 08, 2009 at 09:24 AM EDT #

I find this pretty interesting, coming from MySQL both Sun and IBM seams like suit-companies to me, true chaos lives in real upstarts, policies and rules == suit.

Posted by Jonathan Petersson on April 09, 2009 at 04:50 PM EDT #

I bet you got fired by now & wish you had a job at IBM. hahahhaha

Posted by fred on August 28, 2009 at 02:03 PM EDT #

IBM was always run by a sales guy. Thus IBM was always able to sell technology and make a profit on it - whether IBM invented it or not. Sun always had a hate/hate relationship with mktg/ sales and was never able to make a profit on much of anything

Posted by sikis on September 21, 2009 at 11:48 AM EDT #

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