Wednesday Nov 08, 2006

Interview with Ashlee Vance, reporter for the The Register

I originally posted this interview with Ashlee Vance in my personal blog, but thought I'd share here as well as it received a lot of positive feedback...

I’ve said before that the Register is one of my favorite publications and not just because it features stunner headlines such as this one, "Salty seamen's erotic viewing blocks emergency radio.".

So, you can imagine how pleased I was that enterprise hardware and software reporter Ashlee Vance agreed to participate in my interview series. Ashlee’s reporting is brutally honest and always entertaining. He calls them as he sees them.

It’s not a journalistic style that would work at some publications, where editors might worry about "scaring off" advertisers. That’s another thing that I like about The Register… you can tell that they’re writing for their audience, not their sponsors.

I asked Ashlee for his views on working at the Register versus other publications (his work has appeared in The New York Times, IDG, The Industry Standard and a myriad of other outlets), as well as blogging, citizen journalists, and PR. True to form, his answers are direct and candid.

I hope you will enjoy hearing his views as much as I did.

Ashlee, the last US presidential election gave exposure to what has been a growing movement for some time: bloggers as reporters. What's your opinion on grassroots journalism and the citizen journalist?

    "The idea of someone taking interest in a subject and shedding more light on it is great. And, if the internet or blogs give people the impression that their voice will be heard and that pursuing something with vigor is thus a worthwhile cause, then more power to the web.

    The big thing that people forget though is that this stuff has to be good - really good. It's not like just because you figured out WordPress and think something is neat or controversial that it then matters or is compelling to read for other people. I find that this talk of citizen journalism often leaves out the constant theme of "what does the reader want" that is beaten into every reporter's head again and again and again.

    Sure, reporters can and often do miss what the public wants at a given moment. They are hardly a perfect bunch. But at least they're aware of this idea. So much of the citizen journalist "movement" seems to be attached to the information puke stream where you just vomit out random thoughts, links to other blogs and painful to read observations. I can't see how that helps anything.

    Not to be too long winded, he says, as he gets too long winded. But one of the funnier things I remember thinking when first starting out as a reporter is simply that I get paid to sit and read and hear and learn everything possible about one subject - my beat. Anyone could do it. The problem is that other people have jobs and don't have the time.

    So my task is to take the interesting information and then present it in an interesting form to the people who don't have time to do what I do. Any journalist - pro, citizen or otherwise - pretty much does the same thing. Some get paid for it and cover a wide area, others do it as a hobbie and focus on a narrow patch.

    No matter what, however, you have to be good. Most journalists are pretty crap. I wouldn't say more crap than any other profession but still crap. By the same token, most citizen bloggers are crap. And they are probably even worse because they don't have any news judgement or "think of the reader" training."

Turning it around somewhat, what's your opinion of reporters as bloggers (some of the well known examples being folks like Tom Foremski and John Dvorak)?

    "Dvorak is a really interesting example. Always the entrepreneur, he leveraged his good name as a tech journalist to start the blog and generate interest but then added a lot of non-tech comment. Now Dvorak.org is really one of the more compelling blogs out there. It has this great sarcastic take on politics and just odd stuff that you won't find anywhere else.

    You can see Dvorak's skills and experience as a journo come through on the site whether it's the topics, headilnes or commentary, and it seems to serve him well.

    People often get this notion that they can just start blogging away and get a meaningful audience. Such cases are rare. It's very difficult to obtain and maintain an audience. Having a name like Dvorak - not that type of name but rather "a name" - can make the audience gathering easier."

Just yesterday I was reading a series of related blog posts that imply that, Print Media = responsible, facts checked, unbiased, Online Media = quick, some compromises, Bloggers = opinionated, no guarantees on accuracy. Of course, this is a blanket statement, but it seems to be an impression that's forming in the minds of many. What's your take?

    "Well, in all of these cases, the most accurate stories will result from the most accurate, thorough reporter regardless of the mechanism. Seems pretty trivial - even dumb - to say, but people seem to forget this.

    Having a news organization around can help because it means more people are reading the copy and usually asking more questions, which is good. My editors have certainly caught a number of mistakes that I simply could not see in the stories either because I had read them too many times already or was moving on to the next thing too quickly. Or because I didn't understand something well enough - but that rarely if ever happens, especially for a Vulture.

    I think back to when Felt was outed as Deep Throat, and lots of the boring scum on the TV news channels asked, "Could the Post break a story like that today? Is it possible in today's media?" I don't even really know what that question means. It seemed to be a combination of "Would big media have the balls to back these reporters against the precious Whitehouse?" and "Are reporters good enough these days to pull it off?"

    Duh, not many reporters are good enough to do it. But, yes, some are. Go back and read All the President's Men and see their methods. Anyone who uses similar techniques, who is diligent and honest, can report accurately no matter if it's in the New York Times or on the back of a napkin."

I've made no secret on this blog that The Register is one of my favorite publications because of its honest, in your face style. How would you compare the overall working atmosphere and journalistic freedom at The Register versus larger news outlets were you've worked?

    "Ahhhh, my favorite question so far. The Register is a lot like heaven.

    More than anything I love that you can write just about any story in any style you want. You don't have to use the same tone or format. Some days you might be a bit lazier than others and bang out three stories that sound similar. Other days, however, you can knock out a story that really looks nothing like other tech reporting that's out there. The Register lets you be a writer and not just a reporter, which isn't impossible elsewhere but can be harder to do. At El Reg, you get more chances to try more things, which can lead to mistakes as far as tone mistakes or simply not so pleasant to read stories on occasion. But that's how you learn.

    On a larger scale, The Register is just more aggressive than other places I have worked and less concerned about what the vendors or people we cover think about us.

    It was funny to see CNET bragging about being blacklisted by Google and seeing a number of publications - The Register included - writing that up. I mean, it was obviously a story because Google made itself look so bad, and because it was, well Google, involved. But, geez, if we did a story every time we were blacklisted by a company or really pissed a company off, there would be no room for anything else.

    Vendors that understand how loyal and smart and influential our readership is really "get it" and generally have no problems with what we write. They benefit because of their stance in a number of ways that are too complex to get into here. Those that don't "get it" really lose out. You won't find a closer link between a publication and its readers than at The Reg. We have a real dialogue going, which, I think, means more to the readers than some AP story they find on Yahoo! News. Did I mention that we love our readers?"

This blog has many readers who work in public relations and communications. What are some of the top things you'd like PR folks to keep in mind when working with you?

    "Rule number one would be have a sense of humor. We're not enemies. This stuff isn't meant to be taken personally. If you come to me with some cheesy release that you know is questionable in the first place, then don't be surprised or hurt when we stitch you up.

    PR in the UK seem more used to dealing with our style of reporting and a more vigilant press. They'll have a laugh with you over a release or just be much more up front and, I think, honest about what's going on. You know, don't be afraid to be human. I'd like to see that more here."

Without naming names, do you have a particular horror story that would illustrate what PR people should not do?

    "This seems like one of those "no comment" moments that your kind is so fond of.

    There are so many gaffes that it's hard to pick one. It's always hilarious when you accidentally get e-mailed a draft copy of a press release that has bits like "Insert CEO quote here: say something cheerful" or "VP quote not cheerful enough" or "Don't mention vendor X" in it. Then about 20 minutes later, the flack realizes what he's done and has to send the humble "Please excuse my huge mistake" e-mail.

    I also remember questioning a flack once about a deal between his client - a start-up - and Dell. The flack went so far as to fax me large chunks of the contract between the two companies. I'm sure the lawyers at Dell would have shared a coronary had we published the document.

    Still, I appreciated the service."

Ashlee’s articles appear daily in The Register which is accessible via the web at http://www.theregister.co.uk/ and via RSS. The Odds&Sods section is an absolute must-have for any news reader.

Monday Nov 06, 2006

Interview with James Governor, RedMonk

Originally published in my other blog - I thought the folks here at Sun might be interested in reading an interview I did with RedMonk founder James Governor, one of the more outspoken analysts in the industry.

About you and RedMonk…

How did you come to be an industry analyst?

 

I was working in a crappy customer service job at a major publishing company, taking a break smoking a cigarette, when out of the blue another smoker offered me a job as a tech reporter. That was in 1995. I ran with it. They gave me the IBM and mainframe beats – “because they are both dead… IBM used to be the senior reporter’s job but now we’ll give it to the junior.”

I was fairly young looking, I still am which is nice, I still can’t grow a really decent beard, and hated going into interviews with these grizzled vets from firms like IBM, Amdahl and HDS and looking like I didn’t know what I was talking about. So I tried to get under the surface of the industry and technology. I would start every interview by launching into technical details.

The approach brought me to the attention of Jonathan Eunice of Illuminata, whom I met at CA-World. We became good contacts. He eventually offered me a job in 1999. My first report…. was about mainframe pricing issues. Jonathan is a super bright guy, and he taught me a lot. But we eventually parted ways in late 2002. I made my final decision at an IBM Software Group conference. I thought of a name – RedMonk, which felt sticky, and included an entire worldview (Redmond, Armonk – we cover IBM and Microsoft and everything in between). So my role as company founder began.

 

Each firm has it's unique mix of offerings including whitepapers, end user services such as bid negotiation, vendor consultations, data/share reporting, etc. How would you describe RedMonk's mix and the importance of various focus areas?

 

We don’t really do much of that stuff. We don’t do whitepapers for hire. We don’t do numbers. We don’t do bid negotiation.

We do vendor consultancy. We blog a lot. Content is free, consulting isn’t. We talk to a lot of enterprises in order to make sure our analysis is accurate. They don’t need to be clients for us to be advocates for them. One really clear differentiator is our focus on developer communities as leading indicators of technology adoption. Technology always flies under the corporate purchasing radar before it becomes standardised and ‘enterprisey”. We keep a very close eye on grassroots developer issues.

 

Analyst firms, like other businesses, all have their own culture. How would you characterize RedMonk as a place to work and company with which to do business?

 

Free-wheeling, imaginative, fun, easy to do business with, not so great at administration, helpful, willing to share insights, supportive, casual, professional, ethical, driven by factors other than money. We’re a company that abhors barriers to entry and barriers to participation. Open, open, open. Declarative. If I didn’t work for RedMonk I would want to.

 

Analyst Relations 101…

What advice would you give to analyst relations professionals on how to successfully work with you and your colleagues?

 

We’re human. Be open with us, don’t act like you know us if you don’t. Expect and accept that sometimes we may flow around you. Its not that we’re bad people, we just like reaching out to people directly and building communities. READ OUR BLOGS, you’ll know what we’re thinking.

 

Without naming names, do you have any vendor-horror stories that would serve as an example of how not to work with analysts?

 

There are a few. Even if you think you’re far smarter than the analyst, don’t try and make it clear. There was the guy that wanted us to help them find partners on a commission only basis. That was pretty laughable. I also really don’t like vendors that claim there are errors of fact in a report you write, when in fact they are matters of opinion.

IBM historically was quite open to reports that include some criticism and context about other vendors, rather than insisting on puff pieces. Sadly that culture is changing a bit. Oops I named a name-but not the group! J

Most companies have yearly analyst events and the atmosphere varies widely. Taking into consideration variables such as amount of one-on-one time with execs, gifts, food, technical vs business content, venue, etc. What makes for a great analyst event?

Lots of one to ones. No presentations longer than 35 minutes. Plenty of time to network. How come we never get to go outside? Powerpoint is not intellectual brain food. I would like to go to analyst conference where we can go outside and breathe some fresh air in lovely surroundings.

 

Building on the last question, what makes for a bad event?

 

Ten hours of powerpoint, followed by a three hour dinner where you’re surround by execs you don’t know.

 

Misbehaving analysts and vendors…

 

The competitive climate in the high-tech industry is pretty tough and companies will try a lot of tactics in order to get an edge. Do vendors ever give you the impression that if you write negatively about them they will not purchase your services? If so, how do you handle it?

Happens all the time. Its ok we just treat them with respect, and take briefings if we’re offered. We don’t need to get paid by everyone – we wouldn’t really expect to. If vendors are so immature they expect constant smoke blown towards their posteriors they won’t enjoy working us. We’re too straightforward and honest for that.

On the other side, companies are tightening budgets and this inevitably effects the amount of money spent on analyst research. Because of this do you ever get the sense that analysts are trying to win business through strong-arming (writing negatively about nonpaying clients whilst praising those who do pay).

Some firms do that. We never would. That’s a side of the analyst business I hate, and have publicly and loudly criticised.

 

Where should analysts "draw the line" in terms of being unbiased when doing paid research?

 

Dunno.

 

About blogging…

A lot of analysts have tried blogging, but few have gained any traction. Your blog is arguably one of the most widely read analyst blogs out there (a simple Google or Technorati search will prove that). What drove you to start blogging and why do you feel your blog has been so successful?

 

I wanted to publish more, without putting everything through a ludicrous number of edits and revisions. We wanted to be more open with our content. I wanted analysis publishing to be fun, and self-directed. Stephen O’Grady, my business partner, is the real blogger at RedMonk. He doesn’t need to write formal reports to win clients.

 

Why the success? People are far more interesting than companies or technologies. Blogs are written by people.

 

We also write about many issues that are not completely enterprisey- Web 2.0 is an important context for the future in the enterprise. AJAx, RESt and so on are the same. These are issues the blogopshere cares about.

 

Do you believe (or know) that you have won business due to your blog and the awareness it has generated?

 

All the time. Its an increasingly powerful lead gen tool – again Stephen in particular is winning many startups and small firms as clients that would never have heard of us if it wasn’t for tecosystems, his blog.

 

In addition to industry commentary, you occasionally post about political issues. What has been the reaction to this?

 

I got warned off. I try and limit it, but if I ever get invited to give a White House correspondents dinner I am going to make Steven Colbert look like Scott Mclennan. Someone told me a lot of IBMers are conservative and won’t contribute comments or so on on my blog. Ho hum. At RedMonk we’re all fairly left-leaning so far, but I am the gonzo euro commie.

 

What do you think of "stealth sites" such as ARmageddon?

 

Armadgeddon excited me to start with, but I am increasingly surprised at how pro Gartner all their analysis is especially given they go under a nom de plumes. At least Duncan Chapple says who he is, even if I disagree with his analyses. I like Gartner watch, but again its psudenonymous. Shame really. how can you call for analyst transparency if you won’t state who you are?

 

What else?

 

Any other thoughts you'd like to share?

 

I am extremely proud that we’re now shaping vendor technology directions through our blogs. Developers that would never be able to afford a subscription to a firm read us and give us credibility. The fact that IBM has new products coming out that we inspired is a great feeling.

About James Governor

“James Governor is a Principal Analyst and founder of RedMonk. He leads coverage in the enterprise applications space, assisting clients with application development, integration middleware and systems management issues, as they relate to operational and business process optimization.

James has been an IBM and Microsoft corporate watcher for 8 years. He's regularly quoted in US and European press, and has served as an industry expert for television and radio segments with media outlets like the BBC.” (from the RedMonk analyst bio page)

Further reading:

RedMonk’s website

MonkChips – James’ Blog

 


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