Fair Tax Eliminating the IRS sounds good to me. There is growing momentum behind the idea of the Fair Tax. I bought and read The FairTax Book after hearing about it on the radio. I have emailed my representative in the House to pass it, bill number is HR 25. Thanks for the kick in the action pants, Skrocki! I've even asked The Donald over at Trump University what his opinion of it is!
Here are the main points of the Fair Tax:
The goal
Simplifying tax collection
The sytem is designed to provide the same amount of revenue to the government as the previous system
It is not aimed at reducing government spending - only focusing on changing tax collection
What goes away
The IRS and tax returns are history == no more invasion of privacy
Income taxes, social security taxes and medicare tax for individuals and businesses in eliminated
Capital gains taxes, Estate taxes, Alternative Minium Tax - gone
Special interests who lobby for tax breaks are out of work
The huge burden of income tax preparation is gone from the economy
Businesses no longer need to waste time considering tax consequences before entering new lines of business
Tax law compliance costs are stripped out of the economy
Every American citizen no longer faces breaking the law every April 15th.
What gets added
A 23% sales tax is added to every retail purchase of goods and services sold anywhere including the internet. (currently all products average a 22% embedded tax burden in their price - so the price of goods is projected to remain flat with today's current prices)
Every month, every household is sent a check equaling the amount that would be spent on the tax for necessities for a poverty income lifestyle. (This is the hardest point to understand, but it is meant to elimniate the impact of the sales tax on the poor.)
Expected results
The economy will flourish as the US becomes a tax haven for capital investment
Individuals keep 100% of their paycheck.
Businesses return to the United States since they no longer have to pay taxes on their labor
The tax is extremely progressive - you pay tax when you spend money - if you spend alot you pay alot.
Taxation is not a penalty for hard work. You can earn and save and not pay any tax.
No such thing as being paid under the table anymore - since income is not taxed
My questions
Market for used goods (which are not taxed) will be insanely hot. (I will be buying stock in EBAY if the Fair tax passes)
Looks like state income taxes will be left alone - which means the burden of paperwork and invasion of privacy is not elimintated for a majority of the states. (Gob bless Texas!, and Florida and Washington state, etc all Bob Brinker listeners are supposed to have the list of income-tax free states memorized)
Looks like existing sales tax for state and local governments would remain in addition to the 23%.
New homes would be taxed - but supposedly again there is already 22% embedded tax in home construction, so this is supposed to be neutral on the impact of a new home price....
New areas for fraud
Black market sale of new goods
People registering ficticious/bogus head of household information to get extra refund checks.
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Posted by
The Buzz Blog
on August 16, 2005 at 10:42 AM PDT
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I've started a group called "Fair Tax Fans" in an attempt to link people who are in favor of the Fair Tax and help spread the word about it. If you're interested in joining, please visit:
Fair Tax Fans
Thanks,
Buzz Brockway
Posted by
Buzz Brockway
on August 17, 2005 at 09:26 AM PDT
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Great work Buzz. I am personally a huge beneficiary of the current tax system with 5 children, interest deduction and charitable giving, but the principle behind the fair tax is so powerful, I'd love to see it in action and anticipate that it will lift all boats as the economy is unleashed.
Posted by
John Hoffmann
on August 17, 2005 at 09:40 AM PDT
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An Investor's View of The Fair Tax: A 2006 Resolution
The vast majority of Americans are investors, although many don't realize it. The vast majority of Americans are creative with their 1040 numbers, although most won't admit it. The majority of Americans would agree that investing, retirement planning, and estate preservation would be easier to manage if the Internal Revenue Code was comprehensible. A landslide of American voters would elect any candidate championing IRC replacement surgery.
All of us aspire to some degree of economic security and none of us would be so critical of the wealthy if we had a shot at joining their ranks. One side of the legislative mouth encourages savings and investment while the other treats it with totally "unearned" disrespect. One wealthy political party wants us to hate anyone with indoor plumbing while the other (wealthier) one spends most of its time trying to protect its diminishing turf and powerful cronies. All levels of government view businesses small and large as their all-purpose Reserve Accounts and, as a result, both prices and taxes suffer from a terminal case of "downward stickiness". Not surprisingly, in a DC crowded with 10,000 combative fiefdoms, nowhere can a PhD in dot connecting be found. We can change this!
It is likely that most of you are more familiar with the controversial Fair Tax Legislation than I am, but what I have found most shocking is just how thoroughly The Act's refreshingly new ideas have been swept under the congressional carpet. Neither political party really wants to change the sacred IRC, and why are our media heroes keeping their heads in the sand on this one? Let's squeeze some meaningful change out of the next administration. From an Investor's point of view, implementation of just three elements of the Fair Tax would be an outstanding starting point, even without the more sweeping changes that the Bill addresses.
[The Fair Tax Act of 2003 was authored by Representative John Lindner and co-sponsored by 54 others. Its purpose is: To promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.]
Now this is pretty heady stuff, for sure, but every bit as easy to implement as real Social Security reform would be. The three changes reviewed briefly below would be an excellent Phase One.
1) Eliminate the Corporate Income Tax, and all other nuisance fees and taxes that businesses must pay just for existing. Whatever any business is charged in fees, taxes, and mandatory assessments is translated into higher prices for goods and services… and at more than a 1/1 ratio. Governments need to look at businesses as employers and wealth generators, not as rateables. Lower expenses should result in lower prices and higher profits, and this would be comparatively easy to monitor for compliance.
Corporations would have more incentive to control their general expenses if such savings would actually make it to a bottom line that could be used to grow the business, compensate owners, and reward employees. More, higher paid, employees and more spendable (untaxed) corporate dividends are good for the economy. How many billions in lobbyist fees would be removed from corporate pricing formulae? With no income taxes or mandated charges to fork over, corporations could focus on growth and innovation. Investors would own more viable companies, selling more competitive products, to a more affluent population. Additionally, fewer jobs would be exported, more foreign companies would invest in the US of A, and GNP would rise at a faster pace. Rising profits would increase dividend payouts, stock repurchases, debt retirement, and employment opportunities.
2) Eliminate the Capital Gains Tax: I've often referred to taxes (or tax avoidance decisions) as one of two "Tails" that "Wag the Investment Dog". Every year, millions of people go out of their way (with professional encouragement) to lose money on perfectly good securities. Those who take profits too soon are punished severely and those whose behavior is tax-wise may severely damage their investment portfolios' future. Although it is clear that the Capital Gains Tax was originally designed to pick the pockets of those terrible folk wealthy enough to play the stock market for profit, it now inflicts considerable pain on all of us… particularly those who foolishly subscribe to the archaic Buy 'n Hold investment (mismanagement) strategy. Times have changed, and the average investor is now a pretty average guy indeed, willing to build a future if Uncle will let him.
A Government that bemoans the population's low savings and investment rates has only itself to blame, and Wall Street Institutions are happy to exacerbate the problem with their own financial pandemic of products, strategies, and tax deferral/avoidance schemes. Fair Tax advocates estimate that Billions of Dollars, Hours, and Antacids could be allocated more productively every year, just from eliminating this portion of the tax form preparation process… not to mention the trees.
3) Eliminate taxation on all forms of investment and Retirement income: Dividends, Interest, Rents, Royalties, Social Security, Pension, IRA, 401(k), etc. It just makes abundant sense, doesn't it? Without taxation, interest rates, rents, and professional's fees, just to name a few, could fall. Personal disposable income would rise and a much larger number of retirees would be able to live comfortably. Isn't this what periodic IRC tinkering is all about? Wouldn't it be cool if all of those different IRAs and self directed plans could be combined and relabeled: "My Untouchable Retirement Plan"? We would all save more and spend more if we had more to deal with.
No one expects a hundred million taxpayers to agree 100% on the final plan. I have problems with taxing education and health care spending, for example, and there is no doubt that displaced IRS bureaucrats will populate new compliance entities that monitor corporate operations. And most would agree that three separate sales taxes would be unacceptable. But real win/win/win change is in sight. We just need a positive leader with some…
Here's my proposed 2006 (and beyond) Voting Resolution for anyone with even the smallest start-up IRA account: "I promise to never, ever, cast my vote for any incumbent, at any level of government and from any political party, that has not clearly demonstrated that the repeal and replacement of the existing IRC is at the very top of his or her political agenda." It's time to reinvent the wheel!
Steve Selengut
http://www.sancoservices.com
http://www.valuestockbuylistprogram.com
Professional Portfolio Management since 1979
Author of: "The Brainwashing of the American Investor: The Book that Wall Street Does Not Want YOU to Read", and "A Millionaire's Secret Investment Strategy"
Posted by
Steve Selengut
on March 10, 2006 at 12:43 PM PST
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There are so many things wrong with this fair tax, where to begin. First, let's admit one thing: the only reason a prebate exist is to dissuade poor people from being against this so-called fair tax. They see that monthly check they will be getting each month and for that reason they will be in favor of the national sales tax - which you call a fair tax. Everyone, beaware of this, even all of the very wealthy people such as Bill Gates will be getting a monthly check. Do you realize how many checks will be going out throughout the country every month. One to every adult citizen or couple and probably to some illegals too. That is going to be one whopping huge sum of money the first of every month that our government will have to send out..
Instead of a 1040 form each year we will now have to fill in and send into the Social Security administration a form with our name, address, and names of our dependents we support in order for the government to be able to figure out all our prebates. Sounds like a census survey to me. But, instead of once every ten years, we will file it every year. And also, we need to file a new one every time we change our address. And who is going to go out and make sure somebody isn't claiming a bunch of dependents he or she is not entitled to? Field agents? Where is that money coming from? Well, we all know the answer to that.
There has to be enough collected each month, through the tax system, to pay for all those rebates with a lot left over. And that has to happen continually each and every month. Why rebate and then collect it back? Why collect the national sales tax and send it to Washington, via each state, and then send some of it back to each person? Why not leave those prebates out of the tax structure? Well, it's elementary my dear Watson, it's to keep people from arguing against the fair tax cause they want and need that money each month. And in this process, the politicians, at both the state governments and federal level, will be able to siphon off a bunch of that money for themselves and friends as the collected tax moves from place to place. What a great country! Not to mention, that there will be a large record keeping and administrative expense at the Social Security headquarters because they will have to collect and process all these forms sent in, and make determinations, and keep records, and then send out almost a hundred million checks every month. That is on top of all the other checks they are already sending out. Can you say. increased manpower costs?
You call this a fair tax? Well if that is true, then before you switch tax systems, you will need to collect the tax due on all those 401ks and IRAs. I had to pay tax on all my income. These people in those tax sheltered incomes did not pay tax on those salaries. How will you make that fair?
I have just begun to list the wrongs with a national sales tax. I have much more to write later. Next time I will address the fallacy you have that products are priced according to how much they cost to make. Marketing people determine prices to charge, not cost accountants. The Law of Supply and Demand is in effect. That you should be pretty self-evident just in watching the fluctuation in gasoline prices every day.
Posted by
Matt P.
on May 07, 2007 at 01:27 PM PDT
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One of the main impetus behind the fair tax is to reduce the government's information about everyone. Sales tax collection is anonymous. The government will no longer know how much you make, how much you invest, how much you donate, how much you spent on everything which is a legal deduction such as your mortgage payments and business expenses etc. They already count your children, know your address and your marital status.
It is very funny that you talk about the exapnsion of the check writing beaurocracy that will need to be expanded, but you overlook the fact that the entire tax accountant and tax attorney, and tax shelter industry will be eliminiated from our economy. Not to mention that people and businesses will no longer need to weigh the tax consequences of every decision they make. The fair tax would make the United States THE country to live and do business in bar none.
I am probably the biggest beneficiary of the current system of anyone in the United States, I have 5 children, a huge mortgage, max my 401k, and donate lots of money. However, even given that my share of tax would increase by a switch to the fair tax, I am willing to make that sacrifice, because I believe this change would lift every boat in the US economy.
Posted by
John hoffmann
on May 07, 2007 at 02:09 PM PDT
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Personally I believe there is NO chance that
a simple and fair taxation system will ever happen
in the U.S. There are so many special interest groups that would fight such a system to the bitter
end.
No question that our current system has everything
wrong with it.
So the fair tax may be an interesting intellectual
exercise but I'm afraid that is all it is.
Posted by
Bob Downs
on May 08, 2007 at 08:55 PM PDT
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It's 2009 and the Fair Tax is gaining support like never before. Thanx to the economic mess given to us by our federal govt. (Dems and Repubs), people are listening, understanding the Fair Tax, and climbing aboard. HR 25 is coming and the USA can prosper once again.
Posted by
NancyOH
on June 25, 2009 at 05:28 PM PDT
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Posted by The Buzz Blog on August 16, 2005 at 10:42 AM PDT #
I've started a group called "Fair Tax Fans" in an attempt to link people who are in favor of the Fair Tax and help spread the word about it. If you're interested in joining, please visit: Fair Tax Fans
Thanks,
Buzz Brockway
Posted by Buzz Brockway on August 17, 2005 at 09:26 AM PDT #
Posted by John Hoffmann on August 17, 2005 at 09:40 AM PDT #
Posted by Steve Selengut on March 10, 2006 at 12:43 PM PST #
Posted by Matt P. on May 07, 2007 at 01:27 PM PDT #
Posted by John hoffmann on May 07, 2007 at 02:09 PM PDT #
Posted by Bob Downs on May 08, 2007 at 08:55 PM PDT #
It's 2009 and the Fair Tax is gaining support like never before. Thanx to the economic mess given to us by our federal govt. (Dems and Repubs), people are listening, understanding the Fair Tax, and climbing aboard. HR 25 is coming and the USA can prosper once again.
Posted by NancyOH on June 25, 2009 at 05:28 PM PDT #