Thursday May 24, 2007

Those who have seen me speak to customers, know that I have a "mantra" when asked to compare Solaris to various Linux distributions.  It goes like this:

As a result, one FAQ I get is, "How much less does Solaris 10 cost?"  According to our Sun site and the Red Hat site list price comparisons for support and licenses are:
 

  Standard service
1 year
(5 x 12)
Premium service
1 year
(7 x 24)
 
Solaris 10 (up to 2 sockets)
 $720 $1080 
Solaris 10 (unlimited sockets)
$1320 $1980

Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (up to 2 sockets)

 $799$1299
 11-20% more than Solaris
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (unlimited sockets)
$1,499$2,49913-26% more than Solaris

 

Hmmmm....  So much for the idea that "Linux is cheap or free." 

Other important notes about Solaris 10:

Red Hat touts a number of new features in RHEL 5 that Solaris has had for years including:

  • Multi-level security which was first built into SunOS 4 back in the early 90s and is now included in Solaris 10 in the form of Trusted Extensions.
  • Real-time processing which was first featured in Solaris 8 over 7 years ago
  • Virtualization which was introduced in Solaris 10 in 2005
  • Open source development model which Solaris introduced 2 years ago
  • Integrated LDAP directory which Solaris 8 included in the year 2000
  • Auditing features which have been built into Solaris since version 2.3
  • SystemTap profiler which is a poor substitute for Solaris 10 advanced, award winning Dynamic Tracing Facility

Other advanced, open source features in Solaris 10 include:

  • ZFS, an advanced, easy to manage scalable file system
  • Service management facility to simpify operation and security
  • Secure by default to control network services out of the box
  • Predictive self-healing to provide the highest RAS available.
  • A large collection of third party applications

In short Solaris is a better "Linux than Linux"

Why should you care?

If you are interested in a data center quality operating system used for years by the most demanding customers at a low price, Solaris should be your first choice.

If you have more questions about Sun's strategy for Solaris and are a US Federal Government customer, contact Sun Federal at 703 204 4100 in McLean VA.


Comments:

it does not matter what the OS costs, if I cant get my app vendors to support it, it is not even on my radar screen. While we love Solaris x86, we hate the 2nd level support that some big name var's provide. The bit one for us is Oracle. yeah, you can get the bits for some of their products for x86/x86-64 solaris, but good luck trying to get patches in a timely fashion. Support is just as bad. SPARC? no problem. Linux x86-64? no problem. Solaris x86-64? what is that? So much for that press release a year or so back saying that solaris x86 was the "preferred development platform". Dont even get me started on Symantec support for x86-64. (Storage foundation is frozen at 4.1 after 2 years on the market. Mp1 was announced but never released). Yeah, zfs and sun cluster are available, but not when you have to support 4 platforms (hpux, windows, linux and solaris sparc). Thus, if we want to move to x86 (because an x4600 is cheaper and much faster than a v490), we are forced to bump to linux despite the fact that we prefer solaris. So yes, solaris is cheaper, too bad we are having issues finding apps that support it.

Posted by john on May 24, 2007 at 04:54 PM EDT #

John, Thanks for your comment. I'm happy that you took the time to reply and provide constructive feedback rather than just turn your head and go to the competition. I have sent your comment on to Solaris engineering and our ISV marketing team.

Posted by Jim Laurent on May 25, 2007 at 01:01 AM EDT #

thanks for the response. If they have any questions (i doubt they will , but just in case), i posted my email address with this comment. All of that said, I'm looking forward to a set of new x4600's that should be showing up this week. We will be giving oracle w/ sun cluster a go since the cost was right (the rep more or less tossed the cluster licenses and support in for practically nothing :-) Of course, if it does not work out then we are not out much if we have to switch to redhat w/ veritas cluster (RAC is way too expensive and not a good fit for our environment).

Posted by John on May 26, 2007 at 11:25 PM EDT #

The application base for Solaris 10 on X86 has improved substantially. In addition to the wide variety of open source applications, see the page at:
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=70&intcmp=1169

Posted by Jim Laurent on July 02, 2007 at 04:45 PM EDT #

Jim, we're in the middle of a large virtualization project, moving from Sparc to ESX on X4100's. Even though our expertise and preference is with Solaris we are forced to use Linux in most cases because of the lack of Solaris/X86 support from our software vendors. You can claim that the application base for Solaris 10 has improved substantially, our experience contradicts this. Perhaps you should include the installed base of these applications in your survey.

Posted by Marc Albers on July 05, 2007 at 02:25 AM EDT #

thanks For you

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Posted by aion gold on June 24, 2009 at 10:32 PM EDT #

Fedora is free. There are many SME situations where Fedora is just as good an option as RH. For eg: - Enterprise products that are set up as a black-box and maintained by the vendor under AMC. Web servers/Email servers set up and maintained by outsourced facility management teams - typically your local ISP.

I realize this may be a smaller market than large enterprise sales but, at least for this segment there is no reason to buy Solaris.

The only hope for Solaris in the long run is to give it away for free and charge for support and training.

Dovin
ps: We make and sell enterprise telephony applications as black boxes on a Fedora platform.

Posted by Dove on September 29, 2009 at 08:35 AM EDT #

You may not have noticed but we DO give Solaris (and OpenSolaris) away for free and charge for support and training. You can download Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris today for free and put it into production on a Sun or non-Sun server without paying Sun a dime.

Try it today. www.sun.com/solaris

Posted by Jim Laurent on September 29, 2009 at 08:42 AM EDT #

I don't mean to be a naysayer, but Solaris x86 is the reason for Solars x86's failure to do well in the marketplace. The only companies even remotely interested in using it are ones that have already run Solaris extensively in my experience, it's easy to sell to people that already love you (just ask Novell).

At the risk of not sounding "hardcore", anyone who thinks that the "Java Desktop System" is a good desktop really needs to use an OS released in the last 5 years. It's kludgy, slow, and fury-inducing to do anything but launch gnome-terminal (which is important mind you, but why have a GUI?). I'm not even going to get started on CDE other than to state that, while I can respect that people don't like change, it's ridiculous to argue that CDE is in any way more functional than *any* modern UI. I realize that many of my gripes are baed around the UI, but for a lot of non-Solaris people, the UI is really the first interaction they have with the OS, and if you want to push more units, one of the biggest bang for the buck things you can do is get the UI and userspace applications updated to a new release.

The second biggest bang for the buck thing you can do is get some folks working on an apps repository a-la APT or Yum, it's great that I can download Sun packages and install them, but the collection is laughable compared to what's available in APT or even RedHat's Yum (and at the very least, it's far less obvious how to install, it took me about 10 seconds after someone said "yum == apt" to figure out how to install RedHat packages on ES5)

Please don't view my comments as a flame, I've been a *NIX user for the better part of 20 years, and love all flavors in their own unique way, I may be a bit irritated at Solaris at the moment because my department chair at school insists on putting it on our fancy new Ultra 24 lab, and watching students with lots of linux experience struggle to do simple things like run the broken Firefox that came on them to check email is infuriating, and ultimately leads to people preferring the MS platform to *NIX platforms.

Thanks for listening, and I'm more than happy to provide more feedback if requested as well.

(talk about bringing up an old thread :))

Posted by Gary K. on September 30, 2009 at 07:57 AM EDT #

Thanks for your comments. I hope you try OpenSolaris. There have been significant improvements in the user interface, packaging, repository and update capabilities.

Posted by JIm Laurent on September 30, 2009 at 08:32 AM EDT #

redhat is best

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