Jonathan Schwartz's Blog: Sun/Intel Relationship

At what time will the press conference begin?

Posted by James on January 22, 2007 at 08:43 AM PST #

good

Posted by dana on January 22, 2007 at 09:09 AM PST #

Good morning! Excuse me, please for the not relevant comment, but I am filling like I am out of options and the question is really essential for me. So, in 2003 I was JavaOne alternative speaker with some server-side AJAX-like component-based framework for web "dynamic" SVG we designed in FNAL. Now I am trying to receive a green card and for my case my attorney requested confirmation of my participation in JavaOne in this role. The required letter is somewhat like [Dear USCIS officer ...] [Java is an important language - N millions of developers worldwide ...] [JavaOne is The Conference for Java Developers ...] [Timofei Bolshakov was an alternative speaker for JavaOne in 2003 with presentation #TS-2122 "Using SVG for presentation of data on the web" ...] JavaOne content team, ... So, I requested JavaOne content team a month ago for such a letter and they cannot provide it because "we do not have records that go back that far for the Conference" - Gayle.Westbrook@Sun.COM !!! So, do you really have no information about speakers in 2003? The letter is essential for my case ... Sorry for bothering you, but I run out of options and I think that you are the most publicly visible manager of Sun. With deep respect Timofei Bolshakov, Fermilab,

Posted by Timofei Bolshakov on January 22, 2007 at 09:12 AM PST #

No ETA of the announcement?

Posted by dbt on January 22, 2007 at 09:13 AM PST #

first post! oh, sorry I thought this was slashdot

Posted by anonymous coward on January 22, 2007 at 09:27 AM PST #

Um...not if it requires Real Player, I'm not tuning in...maybe next time you could use something a tad more open, like MPEG-4 streams.

Posted by John C. Welch on January 22, 2007 at 09:36 AM PST #

How do I get to hear the press conference?

Posted by Doris Block-Tomlinson on January 22, 2007 at 09:38 AM PST #

The video has no sound :(

Posted by Tim on January 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM PST #

Wowww, this rocks, i'm so happy and thrilled to see finally a giant such as SUN running a partnership with Intel, It's been a while and finally this moment has come, imagine the possibilities... as being a Java developer i've been wandering about it for quite a while now. Well done Jonathan.

Posted by Umberto on January 22, 2007 at 10:51 AM PST #

great move and congratulation! what's next, powerpc? think it, powerpc will be not IBM any more soon. Best Luck!

Posted by 129.7.152.90 on January 22, 2007 at 10:54 AM PST #

Hi Jonathan, great to see Sun launching the Intel platform, are you going to be offering the low power range of Xeon processors? One of our main concerns remains managing the datacenter space, and power issues. Will you offer them the new blackbox project?

Posted by Martin MacLeod on January 22, 2007 at 11:37 AM PST #

Can SUN be the next DELL? I seriously doubt it. SUN has nothing distinctive left to compete against DELL.

Posted by sharikou on January 22, 2007 at 12:00 PM PST #

jonathan good stuff! get the startup Essentials back on track, and Sun could be right back in the middle of things! -ski http://consultski.blogspot.com/2007/01/sun-and-intel.html

Posted by SKI on January 22, 2007 at 12:08 PM PST #

Will this affect your relationship with AMD?

Posted by Abraham Tehrani on January 22, 2007 at 01:04 PM PST #

Sharikou;

Your statement "SUN has nothing distinctive left to compete against DELL" seems a bit lacking in substance. It would appear to me that you are missing some key facts:

1. Fact - Sun Storagetek securely stores +/- 35% of the data in the world. That's pretty distinctive, or at the very least a tremendous (and growing) installed base. I would hazard a guess that many of sites in the 35% figure are DELL data centers (AKA global warming sites) as well.

2. Fact - Sun servers are better for the environment than DELL servers. Don't agree? Go talk to Pacific Gas & Electric and let them explain why PG&E (a public utility) offers rebates for purchasing Sun servers (Hint - it's because of the energy efficiency of Sun Servers).

3. Fact - Sun Solaris in all its forms (Open Solaris, Trusted Solaris, just plain Solaris) is the most advanced operating environment on the planet. End of line.

4. Fact - I may be getting "out over my skis" here, but I will just bet that a future Sun Xeon workstation/server in an "apples to apples" comparison with a similar Dell Xeon workstation/server will be an extremely distinctive means of competing. Which is to say, the Sun device will (just like the Sun/AMD workstation/servers do today) eat the Dell device's lunch.

For the sake of brevity I am leaving out JAVA, N1, NetBeams, etc. All of which are "distinctive" in their own right.

What does DELL have? A good telemarketing operation and a fantastic manufacturing supply chain, or so I'm told. I've never bought, or owned a DELL, so I have to accept that from other sources.

Posted by Pete Stone on January 22, 2007 at 04:40 PM PST #

Sharikou;

Your statement "SUN has nothing distinctive left to compete against DELL" seems a bit lacking in substance. It would appear to me that you are missing some key facts:

1. Fact - Sun Storagetek securely stores +/- 35% of the data in the world. That's pretty distinctive, or at the very least a tremendous (and growing) installed base. I would hazard a guess that many of sites in the 35% figure are DELL data centers (AKA global warming sites) as well.

2. Fact - Sun servers are better for the environment than DELL servers. Don't agree? Go talk to Pacific Gas & Electric and let them explain why PG&E (a public utility) offers rebates for purchasing Sun servers (Hint - it's because of the energy efficiency of Sun Servers).

3. Fact - Sun Solaris in all its forms (Open Solaris, Trusted Solaris, just plain Solaris) is the most advanced operating environment on the planet. End of line.

4. Fact - I may be getting "out over my skis" here, but I will just bet that a future Sun Xeon workstation/server in an "apples to apples" comparison with a similar Dell Xeon workstation/server will be an extremely distinctive means of competing. Which is to say, the Sun device will (just like the Sun/AMD workstation/servers do today) eat the Dell device's lunch.

For the sake of brevity I am leaving out JAVA, N1, NetBeams, etc. All of which are "distinctive" in their own right.

What does DELL have? A good telemarketing operation and a fantastic manufacturing supply chain, or so I'm told. I've never bought, or owned a DELL, so I have to accept that from other sources.

Posted by Pete Stone on January 22, 2007 at 04:51 PM PST #

<<For the sake of brevity I am leaving out JAVA, N1, NetBeams, etc. All of which are "distinctive" in their own right.>> SUN attempted to make money out of software. J2ME, Java Desktop, star office, JES, N1 grid, iplanet server, Solaris 10.... all end up the same fate: SUN can't make a dime and had to open source them. SUN's problem is not the lack of ideas, it's the lack of quality. Going Intel means SUN lost its ideal. From now on, SUN is just another also-run, assembling parts bought off the shelf. Just like DELL did for the last N years.

Posted by sharikou on January 22, 2007 at 06:12 PM PST #

"3. Fact - Sun Solaris in all its forms (Open Solaris, Trusted Solaris, just plain Solaris) is the most advanced operating environment on the planet. End of line."
For server use. I will never trade my Mac OS X Desktop for a Solaris one.

Posted by Duffman on January 23, 2007 at 12:56 AM PST #

Pete, Sun may have great tech, but dealing with their sales staff is still just as tedious as it was in 1998. As well, if your network doesn't match their vision of your network, your support tends to go a bit spotty.

Posted by John C. Welch on January 24, 2007 at 04:24 AM PST #

Sun-intel alliance? Yeah OK, but what good will that do outside of the United States?

As usual, Europe will get the short end of the stick.

One can't even buy directly from Sun.

One *must* go through resellers, which are still stuck in the dot-com boom era and think they can charge an arm, leg and a first born child for Sun gear.

Startup essentials are NOT available in Europe.

Please realize that startups in Europe are *unlike* startups in the United States. European startups don't have or rely on venture capitalists, i.e. all the costs are funded with CASH, out of startup's own bank account, and there is no investor to back the startup up; it's not a common business model here.

Also, a startup in Europe might start with a budget of a few thousand Euro and one person, and not 1-5 million USD that a startup in the U.S. would get from a VC firm: every Euro counts, and counts dearly!!!

The Sun sales force and resellers in Europe are therefore *not* motivated to sell Sun tech to startups, because in their short sightedness, they don't preceive the long term benefits. It's very troubling.

Sun is rolling out new intel-based servers in the U.S., meanwhile, overseas, we're still getting and will be getting "the short end of the stick".

Posted by UX-admin on January 25, 2007 at 02:48 AM PST #

I think the relatonship with Intel will definitely help Sun in offering more choice to the customer, beig able to compete for any customers business regardless of who has the technology and where (AMD vs Intel), and definitely help in driving Java adoption going forward regardless of platform. Combine this with Open Sourcing Java and the Linux, Unix, Mainframe, and even Windows platforms of the world have a great chance of taking .NET on head to head. I see much improvement coming with Java as far as performance, security, better functionality etc. I can now participate in Java development both directly and indirectly now. Some ideas I have had about Java are better performing Virtual Machines. Doing things with the Javacode such as compliling it directly to machine language and running it out of cahce until we notice a library change or code update (meaning new Java software, VM, source code for the app). Controlling updates of Java, tighter integration with platforms out there. All in all, I am high on Sun. I bought a TON of shares when you wre in the high 3's not so far back and will continute to hold and ride out this for the long haul. I see that Sun hs the promise of APPLE and other companies at reinventing themselves. Keep up the excellent work and don't lose focus of the ultimate goal, and that is to make Sun one of the most, if not the most relevant company when it comes to "The Network is The Computer."

Posted by Tom on January 26, 2007 at 04:46 AM PST #