Sunlight is the Best Informant
I was with a big potential customer yesterday - in the Fortune 100. After a day of briefings from our technical folks, I joined the meeting to see how we were doing. I asked him and his team how much of what they'd seen was new to them.
He said, "about 70% was a complete surprise."
Ouch. That's not good.
To test, I asked, "before today, did you know that Solaris was open source, or ran on Dell, HP and IBM hardware, not just Sun's?" "Nope."
And like I said, this was a Fortune 100 opportunity.
Despite the ample advice I receive, getting through the din, especially in the world of IT, doesn't happen with a superbowl ad (can you remember a single one?), or buying every billboard in every town, or every ad word on-line. We know, we measure their effectiveness.
We know the most valued information travels by word of mouth. Through blogs, on-line reviews, or other on-line conversations. Or "kneecap to kneecap," as we sit across the table from customers in our briefing centers. And frankly, the most valuable information about Sun doesn't come from Sun, it comes from other customers.
So how do you get the word out if you don't have a $500M ad budget? To me, it's not so much about getting the word out, as letting the eyes and ears in. You can tell I'm a big fan of transparency - that's why I write a blog (with comments on, and yes, I read every one, as do a host of others at Sun). It's why I encourage others to drive the conversation in the market, as well. Transparency's at least a part of the solution. If not an outright competitive weapon.
A very wise man once said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" - and in my view, exposing our internals to the outside world also helps us respond to problems more rapidly. True, we have to expose the occasional unhappy customer (I hear this one, in particular, recently became happy), but we expose them to people who can help, too - from within Sun, or within the community. We can't solve problems we don't know about. Like the good justice said, sunlight's a good disinfectant.
Which is why you'll see something very interesting next week start to appear on Sun's web pages and throughout our
What's the risk? That we're exposing ourselves to criticism? That we may have on display the fact that one product or another isn't perfect? (That our competitors may try to rate all our products?)
Nope.
The far bigger risk is that we'd meet another customer surprised by what we had to offer. Unaware that our systems were 5 times as energy efficient as our competitors. That Solaris was free, open source, and available on Dell or HP. Or that Thumper was about to reset the economics of the storage industry.
And to my mind, sunlight's not just the best disinfectant.
It's the best informant, too.
From a voice you'll trust more than ours - your own.
Posted on 04:46PM Jun 02, 2006 |
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This is my favorite of your blog entries so far! Will the Sun Service Plans be included (at some point) in the products that can be user reviewed?
Posted by ML Starkey on June 02, 2006 at 05:54 PM PDT #
Posted by Peter Frandsen on June 02, 2006 at 11:22 PM PDT #
Posted by Aaron Newcomb on June 03, 2006 at 12:46 AM PDT #
Speaking about transparency (here on hardware chipsets, through docs) and word of mouth, a long standing and well mediatized concern that could esasily be addressed has just resurged (note: many other systems are affected too).
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Posted by bp on June 03, 2006 at 03:23 AM PDT #
Posted by Mark Griffin on June 03, 2006 at 05:16 AM PDT #
Posted by Arcadi Magre on June 03, 2006 at 12:26 PM PDT #
Posted by Dennis Young on June 03, 2006 at 12:37 PM PDT #
I've seen this problem - lack of awareness of Sun's products and activities - for years. And not just with prospective customers, but also with Sun customers and Partners. It was one of the reasons that we created "System News for Sun Users" 99 months ago.
With confidence, I can say that we produce the most comprehensive, weekly news summary for Sun customers and prospects. Few of the 55k people who subscribe to System News would be 70% surprised as was your prospect!
We designed "System News for Sun Users" so that it could be private labeled by Sun Resellers. After all, many more Sun customers and prospects will be dealing with the Channel that with Sun directly. We keep the promos and articles in the pushed newsletter brief to drive people back to the Partner's Web site - which we host and track - where more details are available.
After many years of trying, we have been unable to find someone at Sun who is interested in working with us to use our proven tool or highly-respected content to solve the exact problem your are citing.
I am looking forward to seeing the changes on the web site next week!
- johnj
Posted by John McLaughlin on June 03, 2006 at 01:30 PM PDT #
I host with Textdrive and will attest that Jason Hoffman is a genius. I read his (unhappy) blog entry about Sun's salesforce a few weeks ago and considered sending it your way.
It may be a surprise to a lot of your readers, but the same guy (Jason Hoffman) is a HUGE HUGE fan of Solaris and especially ZFS. He's the one who got me interested (again) in Solaris. You won't find a much better salesman than him.
(PS - buy one of his ZFS shirts at the Joyent store. It'd make for a good CEO picture). ;-) All the best to you & to Sun. Your open management approach brings a great deal of hope to me. I want to make my work and my workplace more like what you and 37 Signals espouse (both in your own way of course).
Posted by Bill P on June 03, 2006 at 02:40 PM PDT #
Nice & pin-pointed response :-)
Looking forward to the changes.
Posted by Alex Lam on June 03, 2006 at 04:15 PM PDT #
That pretty much sums up one of Sun's major problems - markerting (software in particular). I wonder if they'd be able to sell water to a parched traveller in a desert. Trust Sun to come up with a great technology & not know how to market it (remember Jini, anyone?). How else would you explain a fortune 100 customer's ignorance of the opensourcing of the best Server OS & its availability on X86/64 platfoms? (And I'd prefer not to discuss the unimpressive talk that the ill-informed mktg folk dished out at some of the software booths at JavaOne)
Posted by Bharath R on June 03, 2006 at 10:54 PM PDT #
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Posted by David lewis on June 04, 2006 at 11:38 AM PDT #
I had several sidebars with the various speakers and encouraged both a more targeted marketing to the various (and often separate in an Enterprise) constituencies who own various layers of that stack (on the one hand) but importantly a more integrated story (other hand) to more senior IT executives. How will the collective capabilities of this optimized platform drive my ability to hit the big 4 of my IT vision - Integration, Intelligence, Optimization, and Orchestration - each of which is an enabler to help my business thrive in a "flat world."
I find significant soundness in the recent moves to "Open" as a means to drive awareness - ultimately can Sun create a winning story that the more layers of the stack you use from Sun the more capable, cost-effective, etc the platform becomes (“platform” optimum beats the sum of "layer" optimums) while at the same time the "Open" strategy reduces your risk of being locked in. I would argue Sun is on the right track and is in a race to show that they can do the platform" integration cheaper, faster, and better than we or other competitors can do it. What stands in the way are "layer" focused competitors who “may” have a better single layer story and discount the benefits of vertical integration.
To Sun - Good Luck - we're all watching!
Posted by tf on June 04, 2006 at 11:48 AM PDT #
To help make Sun transparent, every constituent element of Sun should have its own URL. Nothing helps make something visible better than naming it. :-)
Posted by Henry Story on June 04, 2006 at 12:03 PM PDT #
(Sorry, but I've just sent you about 3 (because I pressed 'Post' to often) comments with a wrong link. Here is the comment with the correct link):
I'm impressed how Sun acts and wonder if this is the beginning of a transformation in the market (or just an era): Does a company has to act like Sun (transparent and like a peer in a community) to succeed in the next 10 years? I have no answer. But I have created a small cartoon (which has no answer too).
Posted by Oliver Widder on June 04, 2006 at 03:40 PM PDT #
of course, the apple mac '1984' ad is the obvious(?) exception... (google video)
word-of-mouth is all very well, but there are many parts of the world where "presence" is a significant factor, and where appropriately focussed advertising & marketing is vital
it costs $ yes, but done right, it's an investment, not a cost
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Posted by Neal Saferstein on June 06, 2006 at 11:02 PM PDT #
Instead of building on Gnome like XGL, it totally replaced anything we knew. And developing on that can be a real bummer.
So that's my first comment. My next is Java on SPARCIII.
http://www.deitylinux.com/netra20/
I have a Netra20 server used from a telecom company. I'm still waiting for a video card on it, but I noticed that if I install our LFS linux or Ubuntu for SPARC, I can no longer use my Java apps because there is no JVM for SPARCIII Linux that I know of.
This is a real bummer. I will have to port my java apps to mono.
I know you don't want java to fragment, and you sued Microsoft over that in 98 with WFC. BUT, mono has not fragmented, so I don't see what more would happen to java.
How about GPL, "but only on Linux" license, to keep MS from revisiting WFC, and meanwhile allowing it to be built and bundled with Linux?
Otherwise I can't even use Sun's java language on it's own Netra 20 hardware. That's nuts. I'm not going to use Solaris. I am part of the Linux generation. People that simply don't want to deal with Unix or BSD style compatibility frameworks. Stuff for Linux just works for Linux, even on a Netra.
Please consider my comments when you either
A. Build the next JRE and don't release a SPARCIII Linux build
B. Consider JPL over GPL.
That is the reason for the lack of popularity. You're making people go to sun.com to get it, and the website isn't all that easy to use, nor is it easy to navigate.
The constant EULA nags are annoying too.
Posted by Chris - BeerCo Software Corp on June 06, 2006 at 11:35 PM PDT #
Posted by Adrian on June 07, 2006 at 12:02 AM PDT #
Posted by randi on June 07, 2006 at 12:21 AM PDT #
1. go to tigerdirect.com and check out the x86 servers, even the x86 servers with 8mb cache. Your hardware is WAY more expensive. I had to shell out +1k US for a used Netra20 with double 900mhz 32 bit cpus, with the eenee weenee 36 mb Sun retractable hard drives for the unit. That's NOT a deal. The new Sun Fire stuff is just obscene for the specs.
It's almost like the Mac pricing model for servers. If I REALLY didn't want a Sun server for the brand name, there would be no compelling reason to buy one.
I understand about the telecom and military contracts, but believe me those will disappear too as they realize they can run Linux on anything. See this story.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/50750.html
2. Stop fighting Red Hat. Ubuntu and SuSE gained tons of ground on Red Hat. Don't fight them,
simply do a better job than them. Lots of people love Red Hat and Fedora Linux and use Java and other Sun products as well.
3. Dump the trendy projects like the custom X server with java extensions, ect... and focus on your core products.
4. Make java easier to redistribute with Linux. Give people an OK that they won't get sued if they package Sun Java with Linux without having end users agree to an EULA.
5. The Sun website is stylishly nice, but a pain to use from a non-Sun perspective. You probably don't notice it because you have always been used to it.
6. Get brand name recognition by getting large websites to adopt your products. Not just telecom or military. Nobody queries their local telecom carrier about which server or PC is the best.
7. Get a hair cut ;)
You look like a hippy.
Recap. Get your brand out there, and make some hardware for common people. The little people that shop on tigerdirect.com and hack out the Linux kernel in their basements.
Aim for hobbyists and make some FUN, FUN, FUN things on the website for developers to do.
Embedded projects, ect... Things people can tinker with.
PS- windoze suckz!
Posted by Chris Rondot on June 07, 2006 at 01:26 AM PDT #
Posted by TAG on June 07, 2006 at 06:03 AM PDT #
This post has pushed me over the edge... :)
I am a Sun employee and I have been wanting to start a blog at blogs.sun.com for a while now... but your experience makes me think that perhaps, starting a blog outside blogs.sun.com will reach a different audience.
I've been following some threads on the Oracle-L list and I was surprised about some misconceptions that some of the members of the Oracle-L community have about Sun and Solaris.
Here's my post regarding my experience with the Oracle-L community.
Posted by James Foronda on June 07, 2006 at 06:59 AM PDT #
Posted by Philip Ferris on June 07, 2006 at 08:44 AM PDT #
As a drifting blog reader, it was a pleasant surprise to come across this recent post discussing transparency and effective marketing. As a recent business graduate I find the opportunity to respond to industry leaders to be very exiting.
I would like to expand on a couple of key points that were mentioned in the blog.
And frankly, the most valuable information about Sun doesn't come from Sun, it comes from other customers. You'll start to see product reviews written by users...You'll see user defined ratings, right on our products. Just like book or product reviews at Amazon.
This is a key statement that really needs to be reciprocated though any business and its team. The focus on the customer, and the benefit that is to be provided for their needs should remain an ongoing concern.. Having outlets that actively seek customer feedback, and respond to feature request, is a completely pragmatic approach. However, implementing an effective framework over that concept may prove to be the real challenge. There are a couple of good examples of companies and methods in use.
Microsoft is an excellent example of a company that is incredibly competitive. Although they are known for adopting many competitors’ software models, Microsoft does build upon such models to provide added benefit to its end users. In fact, one of their mottos for Internet Explorer 7 is WE HEARD YOU. It did take Microsoft a long time to respond; however, the bureaucracy of a large corporation over time may have diminished their adaptability to respond and anticipate customer needs.
Ubuntu is arguably one of the best examples of open source software that has found a way to connect, communicate, and nurture their users. The Ubuntu forums, Wiki's, and open and honest culture help to form an amazing community that influences those that join. In short, they created a corporate culture that is extremely transparent, unique, and moreover resonates with their users. Take a quick look through Ubuntu's forums and you will see post after post that invite users at any technical level to discuss problems, and/or request features. Feature request are added to a queue and assigned to a developer. The developer is able to task the level of importance and provided feedback on development. This process is amazing to witness: User Request Feature (sometimes bug) >> Level of Importance Assigned >> Developer is Assigned Feature Development >> Developer updates his progress which is accessible to all.
It is also important to realize that Ubuntu has made an open source distribution that for many users WORKS.
Despite the ample advice I receive, getting through the din, especially in the world of IT, doesn't happen with a Super Bowl ad (can you remember a single one?
Apple's 1984 ad is one of the few ads that is standing the test of time, but mostly nowadays from a historical perspective. Advertising is much more fragmented these days, and I would have to agree that I don't believe the same type of venue would gain as much attention in 2006.
The far bigger risk is that we'd meet another customer surprised by what we had to offer. Unaware that our systems were 5 times as energy efficient as our competitors. Solaris was free, open source, and available on Dell or HP. Or that Thumper was about to reset the economics of the storage industry.
Because my knowledge of Solaris is rather limiting, I can’t make a judgment observation outside of a student / home user. Nonetheless, I admit that I can’t distinguish what market Solaris is targeting. Is this supposed to be an operating system to compete with MS Windows / Linux / OS X, or is this specifically for enterprise? From my perspective, the consumer market is not clearly identifiable. Without being too critical, since this is my initial post, I found a rather insightful link that critiques the OS; LINK TO OSNEWS ARTICLE
Posted by Brandon Colton on June 07, 2006 at 09:39 AM PDT #
Posted by Mike Sanlon on June 07, 2006 at 09:40 AM PDT #
I've blogged my view of Solaris. First attempt at using it. Not a happy experience. Have you ever installed it?
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