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Wednesday Jun 06, 2007

Sun's New Modular Blade Servers

I'm so excited about today's launch. You can view the full launch online. The energy level at today's event in Washington D.C. couldn't be higher. Despite being three time zones ahead, I woke up before six a.m. and walked the mile and a half to the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center where we are holding the launch. For over two years I've worked with some of our largest customers in HPC and Web, with Andy Bechtolsheim and his design teams, and with the OpenSolaris community to get here. So here are some real-time notes from the amphitheater at the Ronald Reagan building.

Jonathan opened up the day talking about red shift, open source, and the types of customers we are designing our new modular computing products around. Some customers see IT as a cost. To them, our new modular blade computing platform is a great way to reduce costs. But the much more interesting customers are those that see IT as a competitive weapon. The latter value the $2B a year in innovation we are putting into our systems, into OpenSolaris, and into the rest of our software products. David Hadsell, VP of Government Solutions for EDS then joined Jonathan on stage talking about how EDS and Sun are working together with government and large commercial customers. Then Jonathan put up a Google map showing dots everywhere someone had downloaded OpenSolaris. Then a new one for me, he showed the same slide without the map overlap. Amazingingly, you could still clearly differentiate the major continents, regions, and countries around the world. With over 8 million points you can draw a pretty good world map. Jonathan noted that Apple is planning to use the ZFS file system from OpenSolaris in future versions of their OS. So how does that help Sun? It is pretty simple, now every Apple developer will know ZFS and how to use it on products like our SunFire x4500 storage server and other Sun products.

John Fowler was up next, talking about the highlight of our launch, the new Sun Blade 6000 Modular System and how Sun is applying its systems level innovation into the blade market. The first open and versatile enterprise blade platform. So the Sun Blade 6000 isn't just great for HPC and internet infrastructure, it can be used for all your enterprise business applications. Then Andy Bechtolsheim came up on stage to talk about the value of design and what he focused on in the Sun Blade 6000 design. Simplicity is one of the hallmarks of the Sun Blade 6000 design. It is an open platform, supporting UltraSPARC T1 (Niagara), Intel, and AMD blades.

Andy is now having John Fowler pull out one blade at a time. But what is in the tall rack next to the Sun Blade 6000 and covered by a black curtain? More to come ...

Pat Gelsinger, General Manager of Intel's Digital Enterprise Group then came up to talk about how Intel is working with Sun, supporting Solaris as their enterprise class OS (Intel is an OEM licensee of Solaris). Pat and John talked about having how they are working on at least 10 different Sun/Intel products. Next Mario Rivas, Executive VP of AMD Computing Products Group, came up and talked about how Sun and AMD have been working together for over 4 years and how AMD's HyperTransport technology and AMD's quad core Barcelona technology due out later this year are designed into the Sun Blade 6000.

Finally, Andy came back up to talk about the next steps in our blade architecture. So the big surprise of the day was the unveiling of a future product that supports all the same blades as those in the Sun Blade 6000 introduced today. Andy and John then pulled off the black curtain and showed off a new "unibody design" rack which in Q4 will support 48 blades and 786 cores in one rack and is the building block for our TACC supercomputer.

Comments:

Now that SGI kicked the bucket (*SNIFF*), it's great to see Sun taking the lead in the supercomputing environment.

Posted by UX-admin on June 06, 2007 at 10:46 AM PDT #

Yes, it is a great time to be at Sun, or be a Sun customer, if you need supercomputer power. The Sun Blade 6000 and its big brother shown today, together with OpenSolaris and a few other goodies we will show off later this month, will form the basis for open, petascale computing. To learn more, attend our HPC consortium June 25/26 in Dresden, immediately prior to the International Supercomputer Show.

Posted by Marc Hamilton on June 06, 2007 at 12:02 PM PDT #

So you can confirm that ZFS will be the DEFAULT file system in Leopard?

Posted by Magic Max on June 06, 2007 at 02:54 PM PDT #

I don't know Apple's product plans for Leopard so it certainly wouldn't be appropriate for me to confirm anything. I'd have to go back and listen to the launch replay (which anyone can do) to remember Jonathan's exact words, but I don't think he mentioned a particular Apple OS release. There certainly have been plenty of published reports from various sources that ZFS is in Leopard, I guess we will all have to wait until it is released to see if ZFS made it as the default, or if they simply announce that it will become the default in a future release.

Posted by Marc Hamilton on June 06, 2007 at 08:07 PM PDT #

So Marc, are you confirming that Sun is now going to be supporting Mac OS X as a primary OS in its storage products, ala Windows? Because I run a Sun SAN at work, and so far, the ONLY way we can have our Xserves use said SAN is either through a Windows/Linux/Solaris front end, or we pay THIRTY GRAND for the Sun NAS head. However, if this is about to change, could you let the field reps know, because I'd be ALL over that.

Posted by John C. Welch on June 06, 2007 at 08:40 PM PDT #

[Trackback] I don't care what Ponytail boy or his flunkies say, the idea that ZFS will be the default, bootable FS in leopard makes no sense.Now, that's not the same as saying ZFS has no place in the Mac OS. Indeed it does. But as the default boot consumer FS? ...

Posted by bynkii.com on June 06, 2007 at 09:03 PM PDT #

I was trying to listen to Jonathan and write my blog at the same time, so I might have very well gotten the "default FS" part wrong (but there definitely was a huge Apple logo on the screen covering up most of an OpenSolaris.org ZFS screen shot). However, why does it not make sense? I've owned numerous Macs and I've never touched the file system, used any file system command, etc. If anyone is good at putting a "consumer" interface over a technology, it is Apple. I think they could easily hide the underlying file system from the average Mac user who would have no idea there was ZFS under the covers.

Posted by Marc Hamilton on June 06, 2007 at 09:33 PM PDT #

Read my post that tracks back to this. As a Server FS, sure. But as the default today? Sun users, as a rule, are not using Sparcs in the home, to swap bootable Firewire drives with other sparcs that are incapable of seeing ZFS. in another OS release or two, sure, you could phase it in. In FOUR MONTHS? Um...no. Being good at making stuff simple is not the same as working magic.

Posted by John C. Welch on June 06, 2007 at 09:59 PM PDT #

I changed the original text of my post which read: "Jonathan noted that Apple will announce this week that the ZFS file system from OpenSolaris will become Apple's new default file system." to "Jonathan noted that Apple is planning to use the ZFS file system from OpenSolaris in future versions of their OS." I hope this clears up some of the confusion and concern I may have caused. Some of the early comments make very good points. Not to re-write history, but since not everyone reads the comments I changed the original text too.

Posted by Marc Hamilton on June 06, 2007 at 10:15 PM PDT #

John, what would ZFS being the default FS in Leopard have to do with bootable firewire drives and whatnot? HFS+ would still be supported by OS X. The Mac users who're swapping bootable firewire drives between Macs would surely be savvy enough to know which filesystem to format said drives with. I also believe Apple could easily NOT make it the default when formatting a removable drive, such as a firewire drive. It's also possible they could configure Disk Utility to make it the default ONLY when installing OS X, and continue defaulting to HFS+ at other times. A short description/warning in Disk Utility should also be sufficient for less savvy users. All that said, there's probably a 50/50 chance of it being the DEFAULT filesystem in Leopard. It'd certainly be nice, though.

Posted by Kelly Lesperance on June 06, 2007 at 10:18 PM PDT #

Case-insensitive ZFS support was fast-tracked and approved May 9. It's not currently integrated into opensolaris, so it would appear that this is *all* about Apple and replacing HFS/HFS+.

Posted by Jim Thompson on June 07, 2007 at 01:23 AM PDT #

If case-insensitive is about OSX then why does the mail folder on that talk about being for CIFS?

Posted by Bruce Hoult on June 07, 2007 at 01:54 AM PDT #

My guess would be that Apple are going to advise/require users to format their dedicated Time Machine external drive as ZFS. Otherwise -- if it remains as HFS+ -- you get the situation where small changes to a file require an entirely new copy of it, which doesn't sound very useful at all. ZFS' snapshots are perfect, and don't require the boot drive to be similarly formatted.

Posted by Ross Shannon on June 07, 2007 at 03:21 AM PDT #

time machine has nothing to do with zfs it is just implementation with a nice gui of the rsync /hardlink snapshot backup method

Posted by grrrr on June 07, 2007 at 08:08 AM PDT #

Why does any mention of AAPL always bring out the most, um, self-assured responses? :) I'm with UX-Admin and John, though. If this means official Sun support for Mac hardware, then I'm all over that. We're looking at SAMfs-QFS for archiving (we used to use SGI's DMF, and it's basically the same thing) and would love to get our Mac video suites involved without all the workarounds (NFS, etc.). And I also side with Marc on a primary point - I could give a frog's webbed pinky toe what FS lies beneath (default or otherwise). I just want my system to work and be reliable. Pooled storage is a great idea, and Xsan ain't it, baby. Charles

Posted by Charles Soto on June 07, 2007 at 08:39 AM PDT #

``will support 48 blades and 786 cores in one rack ``

That's 768 cores, right? 48 * 16 cores (two T1 or T2's @ 8 cores each).

Posted by Bryan Althaus on June 07, 2007 at 10:06 AM PDT #

My typo, 768 cores. The "unibody" rack will support the same blades announced for the Sun Blade 6000 (2x Dual Core Opteron, 2x Quad Core Intel, 1x Octal Core UltraSPARC T1) plus new higher density blades. We aren't saying exactly which CPUs will be used to get to 768 cores, but the math isn't hard, just the typing :).

Posted by Marc Hamilton on June 07, 2007 at 12:06 PM PDT #

Since the T2/Niagara 2 processor will be used in creating systems that support multiple sockets I think we have our answer! :)

Now all Sun needs is to do is replace the UltraSparc IIIi chips in their lower end machines with either the T2 or UltraSparc IV+ chips and I think Sun has a real nice line-up.

And then comes the ROCK chip...

Posted by Bryan Althaus on June 07, 2007 at 08:13 PM PDT #

It does not make any sense that ZFS would not used by the default, booted drive in OS X. How would Joe Blow consumer ever get to use it otherwise? You get a Mac and it comes with the OS X installed on the disk. Even when formatting a backup disk, the user isn't going to know one filesystem from another. It makes sense to make the hard default for all drives. It's too reliable and flexible not to.

Posted by Maurice Volaski on June 07, 2007 at 10:56 PM PDT #

Whatever plans Apple may have had for ZFS are now on hold at the very least, and quite probably cancelled. If the WWDC build wasn't already sent to get pressed by the time Schwartz decided to shoot his mouth of, then I would be amazed if it's still in the seed I'll get on Monday at WWDC. ZFS could have been Sun's last great contribution to the industry, but now it's going to be another relic like Java. You'll sell it to your diminishing installed base, just like SGI sold XFS, and the Linux kidz will have some fun with it after your company craters. In the meantime, Apple will go off and invent their own 128-bit filesystem, and we'll get it in OS X 10.7, probably. Maybe in 10.6 if all of the ZFS developers jump ship to Apple right now. Way to go Schwartz, you fat-mouthed, self-promoting jerk. Your board of directors should shove that stupid pony tail down your throat.

Posted by Some Guy on June 09, 2007 at 12:15 AM PDT #

you sir, seem to have lost touch with reality.

Posted by wh00t ? on June 09, 2007 at 07:53 PM PDT #

OT from blades: the comments on ZFS, HFS+ and CIFS led me to think about a few things … The communities’ diverse interpretations of technologies, layers and expressions will inevitably lead to confusion at some point but Apple WWDC should help to clarify things.

Posted by Graham Perrin on June 10, 2007 at 05:49 PM PDT #

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