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Saturday May 21, 2005

Dont let the SUN go down on me

In a recent article post on ciol.com Jeff Jackson, The V.P. of Java and Developer Platforms Group, sidelines joining the 'Eclipse' initiative quoting the need for choice to spur competition.

The Eclipse open-source development platform has far outdistanced Sun Microsystems Inc.'s NetBeans in terms of developer and vendor support, but Sun has vowed to continue to innovate around NetBeans while practically everybody else in the Java world is supporting Eclipse. Timothy Cramer, director of NetBeans in the Java and Developer Tools group at Sun, said of Eclipse: "They do have a lot of momentum … but I think they're going to end up with a lot of competing interests."

I think it's nice that Java users have several strong choices in terms of IDEs . . . Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ. I myself have used all 3 and find the freedom of choice quite nice compared to Visual Studio.

Yanick Duchesne, A Netbeans Developer is quoted saying "[Netbeans] Very fast (at least, on Linux, it is way faster than Eclipse, and I would be tempted to say that it should approach Eclipse on Windows ...)...... I did not think I'd be saying this, but it don't seem like I'll be switching back..."

Charles Ditzel the vociferous critic of Eclipse on Mac OS X wrote in his blog : "The realities are something different than the IBM marketing and advertising dollars can buy and the current trends do not bide well for Eclipse. Successive versions of Eclipse have become slower and more resource hungry than its predecessors and each new version of NetBeans since 3.5 has been faster. This has become a serious concern and the Eclipse organization is working on usability while at the same time facing increasingly fierce criticism not only on the issue of performance but also for the weak performance and reliability of Eclipse on non-Windows platforms."

The result is that many Eclipse developers have switched to NetBeans and others are beginning the migration to NetBeans by using both IDEs.

Posted at 01:44PM May 21, 2005 by Rohan Pinto in Technology | Comments[3] | Permalink

Comments:

I see you take the Sun propaganda for real... Let's see: Since 2000, Netbeans has been the slowes and most memory-hogging piece of Swing software out there; the major speed ups that you (or Charles D.) describe have only caused it to reach acceptible levels (so that users don't have to get half-drunk before using it so their reaction times get low enough). The performance of Eclipse has never been in doubt, people have always remarked on the extensibility and features of Eclipse; as Eclipse grows, the Eclipse developers have become careful to keep its Performance up. There are efforts that investigate (potential) performance problems, devs solve performance or scaling problems, and most important: the behaviour of the performance over releases is monitored. Well... and about Eclipse becoming slower, look at this: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/S-3.1M7-200505131415/performance/performance.php This shows the performance changes from Eclipse 3.0 to Eclipse 3.1M7 (green means improvement); these performance tests are done for each release and nightly build. So... how exactly can you claim that Eclipse has gotten slower? Contrary to Charles Ditzel, the Eclipse devs have numbers to show reality; you might also read Charles' posts more carefully: he always quotes anecdotal "evidence", mostly hearsay like "I heard that Eclipse is slow on Linux"... or making grand statements like the one quoted in your blog entry, which have no base in reality (well, yeah, harsh criticism for Eclipse is here... mostly coming from a small group of Netbeans devs ... GeeWhiz... that must be objective then,....). This kind of astroturfing won't help Sun and it only makes it look bad and unprofessional. Just as Sun has senselessly bashed RedHat before (only to incite the anger of the Linux community), it seems to be continuing with Netbeans. Can't you folks talk about your engineering successes (Solaris10,...) and let companies like SCO do the bitching?

Posted by murphee on May 22, 2005 at 10:57 AM EDT #

"The performance of Eclipse has never been in doubt"
...and Murphee have been driking the Eclipse Kool aid ;-)
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