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20070314 Wednesday March 14, 2007

NetBeans+Ruby Wiki Documents Available

I have added a number of Ruby Documents to the NetBeans wiki. You can now find a feature list, as well as instructions for both how to download and install the Ruby support as well as how to build it from scratch. And of course, the todo list!

Perhaps most important to those of you using the Ruby builds is the Recent Changes document, where I try to summarize important changes that are checked in. As you can see, in the last week, the long startup indexing delays are gone, and code completion is smarter - it now tracks types of variables and fields in local scope - plus it better handles singleton classes.

If you haven't tried the Ruby support yet, the Installation document might be helpful.

(2007-03-14 10:10:02.0) Permalink Comments [16]

Comments:

Hi Tor, Would you be able to clarify the best way to ensure we get updates to (a) Netbeans but also (b) ruby modules, as they are released? Are both checked in the netbeans update check? Also I did start from a daily netbeans release about a week ago. Do I need to need to do anything special here? I guess I'm not necessarily after the latest Netbeans daily features updates, BUT I am after daily updates (or all updates) you make to the ruby modules as they come out. Any advice here? Thanks Greg PS. I know you code/podcast at the same time, but good to see you weren't skiing/coding at the same time in your recent photos :)

Posted by Greg H on March 14, 2007 at 07:35 PM PDT #

Hi Greg,
take a look at http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyInstallation - does that help?

Posted by Tor Norbye on March 15, 2007 at 08:52 AM PDT #

Wow! You're my hero, Tor! With the better Ruby editors going either shaky or commercial (IDEA, Steel)... This is seriously a *good* thing. NetBeans has been a very good, stable platform since version 5.0 (dunno for former version, hehehe) and I've been even more ecstatic about it since hearing it'll support Ruby! Life has never been as good. :-) [the simple math question is tricky] :-P

Posted by Hendy Irawan on March 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM PDT #

Hi Tor, i´m really happy about the ruby/rails support for the upcoming version of netbeans. meanwhile i´m working with the m7-version and got some questions i would like to ask u: 1. is there already an option implemented to do migrations with rake? (at the moment i can only edit databases using sql-commands) 2. is there an option to work with the ruby console in netbeans? i´m trying to use netbeans with an already installed ruby/rails version on my system (to get the opportunity to use migrations), but i can´t bring it to work. thx

Posted by Tobias Hofmann on March 18, 2007 at 05:44 AM PDT #

I'm liking NB6+Ruby thus far (looks beautiful on Mac, but worse than Eclipse on Ubuntu).. just 1 last thing.. Is there an equivalent of "Open Resource" in Eclipse for Netbeans? The "Go to type" doesn't seem to work for Ruby Since not everything can be covered by "open declaration" and lots of files aren't (e.g. .rhtml)... such search-as-i-type & opening of any file in the project is really handy - basically I never have to traversing the GUI file-tree (even quick-search can't compare)

Posted by choonkeat on March 19, 2007 at 01:59 AM PDT #

Hi Hendy - thanks! If you try the bits (http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyInstallation) let me know how it goes.

Hi Tobias, unfortunately there's no good migrations support yet - it's being tracked in issue http://scripting.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97643 . I just added a "Rake Migrations" menu item to the Rails project today, but as you can see from the issue I plan better support. Stay tuned :-)

Hi Choonkeat, There isn't a builtin equivalent for "Open Resource", but there is some intense work in progress to provide it - it's happening in a branch and associated discussion in issue http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=44586 . There is a non-branch version you can get too, by just building contrib/filesearch/. So - this will be there soon.

Posted by Tor Norbye on March 19, 2007 at 08:14 PM PDT #

Yeah Tor! At first sight, the syntax highlighting is IMPRESSIVE. It's great. It may be of very near quality to VS 2005 or maybe same or maybe even better! I like it a lot. The code hint/autocompletion still "doesn't work". It doesn't recognize even the most common classes like File... do I have to setup anything? (I thought it automatically searches areas like /usr/lib/ruby, but maybe I'm wrong) Using Kubuntu 6.10 + NetBeans 6 M7 + the latest ruby-hudson. Ah well, never mind, I'll try to play around with it more later. With RadRails+Aptana joining forces "from the Eclipse side?", NetBeans-Ruby(+JRuby) is seriously a killer thing!! :-) [still, the math 'captcha' question is difficult] :-)

Posted by Hendy Irawan on March 19, 2007 at 08:26 PM PDT #

Hi Tor
If I have an existing project (using TextMate) if I use NetBeans for this project is it non-intrusive?
i.e. does netbeans add any "project" files to the source area? Just wanting to confirm whether I could swap back-and-forward between NetBeans and TextMate without a hitch.
Regards Greg

Posted by Greg H on March 19, 2007 at 09:14 PM PDT #

Hi Greg, NetBeans will create one directory in the source area called "nbproject". It will place all metadata there. If you're using something like CVS you should add it to .cvsignore, unless others want to share your projects - in which case you can check them in. (There may be a "private/" directory under nbproject which stores per-user project settings such as run configurations which should not be checked in - if you use version control from within NetBeans it would enforce this.)

Posted by Tor Norbye on March 19, 2007 at 10:02 PM PDT #

I checked out the filesearch (HEAD and the said branch), included the NBM into my Netbeans' modules but still don't see a diff in the "Go to type". Maybe I'm doing the modules stuff wrong.
Anyways, hope to see it in the NB6 build soon! I'll cross over from Eclipse (RadRails) then

Posted by choonkeat on March 19, 2007 at 11:26 PM PDT #

Will this be bundled with NetBeans 6 when it's released? I really hope so as it'd be much better than downloading this plugin, that plugin. Ruby support is a definite necessity.

Posted by Hendy Irawan on March 20, 2007 at 12:55 AM PDT #

I'm anxiously awaiting debugging support. :) Thanks for this, I've always loved the NetBeans IDE.

Posted by Matt Lins on March 20, 2007 at 07:17 AM PDT #

Well Matt, in that case I have good news for you - debugging support landed yesterday! Be sure to check the wiki page since getting fast debugging requires some manual setup steps... (plus while nbextras.org has it it may take a few more days for the daily update center to get it) http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/Ruby

Posted by Tor Norbye on March 20, 2007 at 08:35 AM PDT #

Tor,
Q1 - Is it possible to indicate on your "RubyRecentChanges" wiki page what the Ruby modules that have changed are, and what version they are. ie we can then match this in with what we see under the Module version numbers displayed in Netbeans.
Q2 - Is there a way in NetBeans to do a manual update on just the modules already installed. If I go update it takes me to the download centre and it seems as if you have to manually pick which modules to update?
Cheers
Greg

Posted by GregH on March 20, 2007 at 01:19 PM PDT #

Hi Greg,

Q1: I'll add in the version of the umbrella module that is required. If you just go and try to update the module named "Ruby" under Features, it will require everything else. I always rev its version and dependencies when trying to update other modules. So you shouldn't have to drill looking for anything else.

Q2: No, unfortunately the Auto Update center UI is not well suited to just do updates. There's work underway to revise it.

Posted by Tor Norbye on March 21, 2007 at 04:46 PM PDT #

Is it just me, or has deadlock.nbextras.org been down for several days now? The Update Center in NB 6 appears stuck at the 3/20 version of the Ruby editing feature, and I can't seem to get the nightly Hudson builds at all :(

Posted by Josh Puetz on March 24, 2007 at 05:07 AM PDT #

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