I have had opensuse 10.3 installed on my system for a while and for some reason i had messed it up beyond care for repair and hence i was waiting for the next release of opensuse to be released so that i can install it on my system.

Meanwhile, when i was at the toshiba service center to get my laptop serviced, i saw a customer use fedora 8 for his laptop OS. This got me interested and since fedora 9 just got released, i downloaded it and installed it on my laptop today.

Let me re-emphasize that i am the kind of guy who just likes to have the operating system "just work" rather than having to go to the command line to get each and every application working. I am not too much of a geek anymore and anyways dont have that kind of a time to deal with these things.Open suse and ubuntu to a certain extent fits my kind of customers really well.

 Fedora linux does look nice and jazzy from the outside with all the cool and latest updated softwares. But IMHO, some of the latest software has made the whole distribution a bit hard to use.

The installation process was very smooth. It identified my earlier opensuse installation and prompted me to overwrite that portion of the hard disk which i gladly obliged to. I selected softwares that i needed and within a couple of hours, i had fedora up and running on my laptop along with xp.

The first thing i wanted to do was to install the "non-free" drivers for my laptop. This included some movie playing software like "vlc" and of course nividia drivers. I went to the rpm.livna.org and installed the rpm for yum updater from livna website.

Next, i went to add/remove programs section and started going through the list of packages i wanted to install. The first thing that struck me.. There were no check boxes to select multiple packages and install. Weird.. I was logged in as root right then and then i selected a particular package to install and pressed "Install" button. Nothing happened.. Since i was using an graphical interface, i didnt know what happened. I tried this for a long time and then frustrated, i went to the command line interface and started installing stuff by using the yum command from there.

A little while later, i managed to login into a non-root account and again started the add-remove programs section and retried the same thing again. This time i had some success in the sense that i could install the single package that i selected for installation. But, a progressbar which explained the progress of the download or the progress of the install was not there.. So, i just had to blindly wait till a particular package was installed.

Just a few minutes before i managed to get the synaptic package manager (which ubuntu has as default) through yum and now things are much better.

The next major gripe for me is the absence of a suitable nvidia driver for fedora 9. This release of fedora apparently has some sort of a non-final release of Xorg incorporated and understandably nvidia does not support that sort of releases. I had not installed kernel-source package when i installed fedora and so when i first downloaded a stable nvidia driver from the nvidia site, it complained about the absence of the source and stopped the installation. After downloading and installing the source, it later complained that the latest release of the driver was not compatible with the particular version of kernel.. DUMPED! NO 3-D!

I googled around a bit and later came up with a beta version of the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site and installation instructions from this weblog. I right now have the 2D portion of my GUI working but no 3D. Hopefully it gets fixed someday.

I also tried to get the dualhead monitor functionality which had a nice GUI portion to it working, but without any success..

Next, i tried changing the theme for kde. There were some nice themes available but whenever i tried to change to one of them, my X server crashed. No idea why that happened. Also, suddenly the start menu disappeared and i got fed up.. so i removed the ".kde" directory in my home directory and started out fresh.

So far things have been great. I have been able to surf the web and use netbeans without much of a problem. But the moment i try to customize something, the x window system hangs and abuses me badly for trying to do something.

I am right now waiting for the next version of opensuse which will be released in a month or so.  From their site, the screen shots look awesome. Theer is no shortage of eye-candy similar to fedora9. But hopefully, those guys will be a bit more sensible and have a version of Xorg over there which nvidia supports.

Comments:

I got lucky to make dualhead work with nouveau. Now 2D beta blob is irrelevant at least in my case.

Posted by VirtuAlex on May 15, 2008 at 05:24 AM IST #

You say that so far, everything is alright, but you had an incomplete version of X, you couldnt get 3D acceleration working, the X server crashed when you tried to install a theme, and you couldn't install/uninstall the packages you wanted to from the GUI.

that doesnt sound fine to me.

Posted by bjb_nyj101 on May 16, 2008 at 06:06 AM IST #

Can you try the latest Mandriva release ? Mandriva 2008 Spring.
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_Tour

Officials doc are there :
http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/Mandriva_Linux_2008_Spring_documentation

The Mandriva One edition ( LiveCD ) include the non free drivers directly :
http://www.mandriva.com/en/product/mandriva-linux-one

If you are installing the DVD free edition, non free dirvers are directly in the standard Mandriva repositories, in Non-Free section.

Even if Mandriva have out of the box mp3 support, you may need to install furthers codecs ( lindvdcss2, win32-codecs, ffmpeg ), for this you needto add a third party repository : PLF. You can do this easily with the following website : http://easyurpmi.zarb.org

Posted by FACORAT Fabrice on May 18, 2008 at 03:28 PM IST #

well.. i don't get those guys at fedora either..

sometimes they really do stupid things... it seems..

however, they work on a tight schedule and the schedule is holy or something and they will release the next version precisely the day it is scheduled for no matter what...

this whole ordeal with xorg sucks.. just as with fedora "3" i think which made windows partitions unbootable...

a bug that has like the most comments ever and took 1.5 years to fix and now this xorg problem preventing newbe's with a nvidia card to even install fc9.

things like this really scare off windows users willing to give linux a try...

Posted by hans on May 19, 2008 at 01:35 AM IST #

I am positively surprised from Fedora 9. There is almost nothing to complain about. The Problem with adding or remove software as root is just a matter of user policies which can be changed. As venky mentioned above the problems with 3d acceleration also happened to me. I am using a IBM x24 and I cannot manage to solve this prob. Compared to Ubuntu or Opensuse Fedora convinced me and I think in 1 or 2 months new software releases will fix the remaining probs.

Damian

Posted by Damian on May 19, 2008 at 05:16 PM IST #

@Fabrico
I have used mandriva (or mandrake too) a in the past. For some reason each time i install it, i get flaky UI behavior.. i.e. it gets stuck for a while or crashes.. But that should just be my computer because i have seen it work well on other computers.. No gripes with mandriva

@Hanson
I totally agree with you.. The first priority of linux distros should be to include *only* stable package releases and not go out with beta releases (even firefox beta version)

@Damian
I have certainly had problems with KDE 4(i prefer KDE over gnome) and i really think synaptic package manager should come along with the fedora dvd instead of me having to install it seperately. Its one of the most wonderful package managers till now that linux has had. Linux right now has such a lot of distributions that people are not going to wait for another major release and hope that bugs will be fixed. opensuse in that sense lives up to its expectations each and every time and users are becoming much more comfy with it.

Posted by Venky on May 21, 2008 at 02:37 PM IST #

Nice title. It describes what is really fedora: not a distribution for newbes.
I use RedHat from version 3, I think, and pass to fedora core, and now to fedora.
But I use OpenSuse in my servers from the day that RedHat begins to cost me $$$. I know that fedora is allways in the cutting edge.
But for someone who only uses linux for years is the best. And fedora 9 (the nvidia driver is now avaible) is the best linux desktop I ever see. And the question off the proprietary codecs its just a question of invoke a few yum install, with references from all the internet.

Posted by Fernando on June 12, 2008 at 07:06 AM IST #

Yes, Fedora is for those that like everything new and fresh, but not necessarily easy. If ease is what you want, SUSE is for you!

Why synaptic??? That is a Debian beast. Fedora's native package management system, yum, is better supplemented by yumex (the yum extender).

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Posted by Irma on June 13, 2008 at 01:55 AM IST #

As of May 28 the nvidia drivers now support X 1.5

Posted by Tyler on June 25, 2008 at 10:06 PM IST #

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